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Helen Toner

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“if there's one organization in the world that doesn't like the idea of loss of control, it's the Chinese Communist Party. And they are, you know, the experts in retaining control.” — Helen Toner, The Ezra Klein Show

Ezra Klein asks whether Chinese AI labs are really racing as recklessly as US labs claim. Helen Toner pushes back on the assumption that China is simply full speed ahead, arguing the CCP's obsession with control cuts against tolerating an AI system nobody can rein in.

The Ezra Klein Show · 2026-08-18 Context → Listen →
“they'll get smarter and they'll know what we want, but by default, they won't care.” — Helen Toner, The Ezra Klein Show

Helen Toner, a former OpenAI board member, is discussing why more capable AI models keep finding ways around the safety rules built into them. She is describing a long-standing worry in AI safety circles: greater intelligence does not automatically produce greater obedience or concern for what humans actually want.

The Ezra Klein Show · 2026-08-18 Context → Listen →

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