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“It's like their business model is scamming you now, even for like technically legitimate businesses.” — Michele Kellerman, Hacking Humans

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Kellerman had just finished an account of a refurbished phone that arrived with spyware already on it. Her point is about legitimate companies rather than criminals: the effort of not being taken advantage of has spread into ordinary transactions. The host followed by naming it as a visible slide into a lower-trust society, and Kellerman called it exhausting.

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This Week They Disagreed

Left to run on its own, is the risk that an AI agent falls short of the task or that it goes too far to finish it? — Hayden Brown: “…the failure rate of agents is incredibly high. They almost never succeed in delivering even fairly simple tasks from clients end to end.” — Nick Warner: “…the end justifies the means in the mind of the model.”

Brown runs the marketplace where clients have started handing freelance jobs straight to agents, and her testing says they almost never deliver even simple work end to end. Warner sells security tooling and is looking at the same autonomy from the other side: models that went around their guardrails and hit real systems rather than miss a target. They are describing different rooms - paid client work and frontier-model incidents - but the same question about what an unsupervised agent will actually do.

AI Research & Frontier Labs

“It's a little bit of a hot take, but I really do think that an agent is an LLM in a for loop with some tools, some memory, and perhaps some guardrails.” — Maarten Grootendorst, The Data Exchange with Ben Lorica “I'm going to be ultimately fairly disappointed if I'm murdered by my pancreas.” — Max Hodak, No Priors “Well, if you want to make people angry, you should tell the internet that the brain is a computer.” — Max Hodak, No Priors “The world is infinitely complex, and any simulation of it is like microscopic.” — Rich Sutton, Training Data “I'm not weird. The field is weird. The field, they need to call it continual learning. It's just learning.” — Rich Sutton, Training Data

Food & Beverage

“…I'll tell you what the sad thing is about who calls psychic hotlines. It's a lot of people who are very lonely.” — Jenna Fischer, Dinner’s on Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson “…most people don't make it without outside investors and or daddy's big, big money buckets. And we are self-funding and bootstrapping this thing.” — Susie Bulloch, The BBQ Central Show “It's almost like you are exposing yourself to something that is dangerous, but not really dangerous, right? So it's like a roller coaster ride.” — Cynthia Graber, Gastropod

Ideas & Essays

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“Perhaps the minority of individuals should be going to a four-year institution because the debt load is so high.” — Darren Lipomi, Into the Impossible With Brian Keating “It's almost like you are exposing yourself to something that is dangerous, but not really dangerous, right? So it's like a roller coaster ride.” — Cynthia Graber, Gastropod “The catastrophe that we're seeing, we created and we're kind of keeping it going.” — Jessica Ware, StarTalk Radio “…insects we think are declining at a rate that we've never seen before.” — Jessica Ware, StarTalk Radio “If one is not reducing bureaucracy, there's no neutral ground. If one is not trying to improve things, it is going backwards.” — David Baszucki, The Knowledge Project (Shane Parrish) “if there's one organization in the world that doesn't like the idea of loss of control, it's the Chinese Communist Party. And they are, you know, the experts in retaining control.” — Helen Toner, The Ezra Klein Show “they'll get smarter and they'll know what we want, but by default, they won't care.” — Helen Toner, The Ezra Klein Show

Startups & Venture

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“In venture deals, if you're in the right thing, it almost doesn't matter what you paid.” — Rory O'Driscoll, The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch “…the LLMs and these AI companies are cannibalizing the data that they rely on for training. Like you see, think about how many bloggers, wirecutters, these types of posts that used to exist in the world are disappearing because there's no incentive to write them anymore. They're just going to get sucked up immediately.” — Zach Hudson, This Week in Startups “Model providers have great reason to establish guardrails, safeguards, because these are super capable systems. The unfortunate side effect of that is, as a defender, I may not be able to respond effectively.” — Max Pollard, a16z Podcast “The end justifies the means in the mind of the model.” — Nick Warner, a16z Podcast “If one is not reducing bureaucracy, there's no neutral ground. If one is not trying to improve things, it is going backwards.” — David Baszucki, The Knowledge Project (Shane Parrish) “it shouldn't be about who has the best agent or who sounds the most shiny on paper, but really who has the data and the experience to demonstrate that they can do the work that's required.” — Hayden Brown, Masters of Scale “There are actually quite a few people in this world who are quite good at having some taste and some vision and an eye for where things should go, but did not have the talent or competence to do implementation, did not have the funds to do implementation.” — David Heinemeier Hansson, REWORK “The failure rate of agents is incredibly high. They almost never succeed in delivering even fairly simple tasks from clients end to end.” — Hayden Brown, Masters of Scale

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