“The belief that philosophy is a kind of mathematics is damaging to the goals of philosophy that most people would endorse.”

Yeah. And it just, it feels as if that is a shadow of the dialogues, which are the shadow of the experience. Exactly.

…even be a shadow that's too far to be useful. I think one thing the dialogue is supposed to do is just get you close enough to the idea that it invites you all the way in. But it might be that the way the journal article, there's a kind of deadening effect to them that you're too far from the form.

I don't know. That's an interesting question. I don't even know where I stand on that.

Yeah, I don't either. But it is interesting to me that the philosophy that we've been drawn to so often is of the kind that we, for instance, think is communicated best in artistic fictions. Because I do think, as much as I'm a whore for a reason, the belief that philosophy is a kind of mathematics…

Yeah. Yeah. There is an analytic philosophy, especially in England and America, like it has modeled itself after math and science. And that might just be like not the right conception. And, you know, there are some philosophers like Bernard Williams or late Wittgenstein that kind of recognized…