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The Grugq

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The Grugq hosts Risky Bulletin and hosts Risky.Biz . They have also been a guest on Risky Business .

Recently: “Between Two Nerds: Why frontier lab security will always suck” on Risky Bulletin (October 2026); “Between Two Nerds: The AI crime machine” on Risky Bulletin (September 2026); “Srsly Risky Biz: Bring On the AI Lawsuits” on Risky.Biz (September 2026); “Risky Bulletin: Network of 10,000 AI servers masks Chinese malicious activity” on Risky.Biz (September 2026); “Between Two Nerds: Real-time cyber defence” on Risky Bulletin (September 2026); “Between Two Nerds: Can AI defend critical infrastructure?” on Risky Bulletin (September 2026).

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“We did all the things we're legally required to do, and we found a bunch of ways around them. So now we can go ahead and do what we wanted to do anyway.” — The Grugq, Risky Bulletin

On why regulation won't give frontier AI labs good security: they comply on paper and keep moving fast. He goes on to cite a management paper titled "No One Gets Credit for Solving Problems That Never Happen." The episode argues the labs' race to ship overrides any incentive to be secure.

Risky Bulletin · 2026-10-26 Permalink → Listen →
Risky Bulletin Around 23:55 into the episode
Speaker 2

want to do. You can comply with the regulation,

Tom Uren

and then you can hand on your heart full speed ahead.

Speaker 2

Best efforts, yeah. Like, we did all the things we're legally required to do, and we found a bunch of ways around them. So now we can go ahead and do what we wanted to do anyway. So, like, there's a management paper called No One Gets Credit for Solving Problems That Never Happen.

Tom Uren

Right.

Speaker 2

And it's basically about this strategic culture sort of thing where if you anticipate there's going to be an issue and you correct it ahead of time so that it never happens, it's very hard to get promoted for that because you're going to have to explain, well, you see, this was going to be a huge…

Tom Uren

What are you talking about? Exactly. Never happened.

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