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Kathy Hochul

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“…I think that the data centers, the hyperscalers, have become the physical manifestation of people's anxiety about the future.” — Kathy Hochul, Decoder with Nilay Patel

Nilay Patel had just argued that the AI labs do not have a marketing problem so much as a product problem. Hochul agreed that people already see the benefits, then located the backlash somewhere else: the buildings. She went on to talk about the STEM and coding careers she spent years urging young people into, which now look like the first jobs to go.

Decoder with Nilay Patel · 2026-08-31 Context → Listen →

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