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Joe Nickell

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Joe Nickell has been a guest on Skeptics Guide to the Universe (3 times) and StarTalk Radio .

Recently: “Spooky Science with Mary Roach” on StarTalk Radio (October 2026); “The Skeptics Guide #270 - Sep 15 2010” on Skeptics Guide to the Universe (September 2010); “The Skeptics Guide #118 - Oct 24 2007” on Skeptics Guide to the Universe (October 2007); “The Skeptics Guide #62 - Sep 27 2006” on Skeptics Guide to the Universe (September 2006).

What They Said

“It's just as bad to have, like the ghost hunters, to have an agenda. They start with a belief in ghosts and then they're just using confirmation bias, just trying to confirm that. So any anomaly is considered evidence for a ghost. And the opposite of that, the dismissive debunking approach, is equally bad because both of those are starting with the answer and working backwards to the evidence.” — Joe Nickell, StarTalk Radio

The paranormal investigator explains how his approach differs from both ghost hunters and outright debunkers. Science, he says, doesn't start from the answer.

StarTalk Radio · 2026-10-23 Permalink → Listen →
StarTalk Radio Around 18:09 into the episode
Neil deGrasse Tyson

no assumptions up front.

Eugene Mirman

You're like the non-menacing Batman. That's right.

Joe Nickell

You see, it's just as bad to have, like the ghost hunters, to have an agenda. They start with a belief in ghosts and then they're just using confirmation bias, just trying to confirm that. So any anomaly is considered evidence for a ghost. And the opposite of that, the dismissive debunking approach, is equally bad because both of those are starting with the answer and working backwards to the evidence. Let's get back to that. Science doesn't do that.

Neil deGrasse Tyson

Joe, let's get back to that. I want to slip in another clip of my interview with Mary Roach. She wrote a book, Spook, that Science Tackles the Afterlife. And let's see what she says about ghosts in the machines.

Speaker 1

Anytime a machine does something peculiar, there's a subset of the population that chooses to interpret it as a spirit. For example, there are people who thought that when their VCR or their telephone, their voice recorder, their answering machine does something strange. There was a fairly…

Neil deGrasse Tyson

a minute, I know a Penelope. Oh, my gosh.

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