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Jesse Keenan

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Jesse Keenan has been a guest on America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast (16 times) , Climate One and Are We Doomed? .

Recently: “The Once and Future National Climate Assessment: NCA5” on America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast (October 2026); “How High Can You Build a Seawall?” on Are We Doomed? (October 2026); “The Federal Climate Retreat and the Rise of a New Adaptation Ecosystem” on America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast (November 2025); “Inside the MR2025 Conference: Planning for Adaptation, Mobility and Relocation in a Warming World” on America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast (July 2025); “Climate Adaptation Predictions for 2025: What the Experts Say” on America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast (January 2025); “Climate Fiscal Risks: The U.S. Government Accountability Office's Recommendations to Congress” on America Adapts the Climate Change Podcast (December 2024).

What They Said

“It's already happening. I think people think, oh, this is going to happen 100 years, 200 years, or whatever. It's like, no. The market economy is adapting much faster.” — Jesse Keenan, Are We Doomed?

Keenan on rising insurance and housing costs as a de facto relocation plan that needs no central design. He argues price signals are already pushing people away from flood- and wildfire-prone areas.

Are We Doomed? · 2026-10-13 Permalink → Listen →
Are We Doomed? Around 28:08 into the episode
Jesse Keenan

…that you need to get the hell out of this place. It's just way too expensive to live there. No one should have ever been there. And by the way, the government was subsidizing your way of life for a long time. And we're no longer... Paying your insurance. Yeah, we're no longer going to subsidize it.

Ben Bradford

…doesn't take any central design at all. You just let costs move people. Jesse says, for better or worse, that is going to be a key reshaper of where people live. It'll push us away from coasts where we can't afford flood insurance. And it'll push us away from brush-filled areas at risk of wildfire.

Jesse Keenan

It's already happening. I think people think, oh, this is going to happen 100 years, 200 years, or whatever. It's like, no. The market economy is adapting much faster.

Ben Bradford

This, as you might imagine, has some downsides. Using price to drive people out is a pretty blunt instrument. I asked Jesse about how it goes wrong.

Jesse Keenan

Yeah, I mean, it's a good question because the downside of the price signal theory is that there's a bunch of people who are not all that sensitive to price signal.

Ben Bradford

He says that can be people who own their homes but can't afford to move. That can be people just barely getting by.

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“It's like we even have to move the dead. It costs $10,000 to move a casket from one cemetery to another.” — Jesse Keenan, Are We Doomed?

Keenan, of Tulane, on the scale of retreat from a sinking, flood-exposed region like New Orleans. He has just said the task is far beyond the capacity of any government to buy out, and that there is no precedent for it.

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Are We Doomed? Around 25:21 into the episode
Jesse Keenan

The scale of what we're talking about here is well beyond the capacity of any governmental entity to buy out.

Ben Bradford

Jesse Keenan at Tulane says there is no precedent for the challenge in front of us.

Jesse Keenan

It's like we even have to move the dead. It costs $10,000 to move a casket from one cemetery to another.

Ben Bradford

So I'm still trying to picture how we do this. I think the examples we've heard are useful, showing what's worked and what hasn't. But I still want to know what is a plan big enough for a city or a nation.

Jola Ajibade

When do you stop investing along the coast and when do you start thinking move inland much more?

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