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Megan Phelps Roper has been a guest on Conversations with Coleman .

Recently: “The Bible Story Every Atheist Should Read, with Megan Phelps-Roper” on Conversations with Coleman (October 2026).

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“Like you can't just decide to believe. You can decide to belong though. Like if you decide that you want to go to church every Sunday and you want to take part in these rituals of religious life, maybe that does make you happier, even in the absence of belief.” — Megan Phelps Roper, Conversations with Coleman

Coleman Hughes asked about research finding religious Americans happier than non-religious ones. Phelps-Roper says what she has missed since leaving her church is its sense of purpose and its community. She adds that, having been such a staunch believer, belonging without belief is part of what keeps her out of religious communities now.

Conversations with Coleman · 2026-10-14 Permalink → Listen →
Conversations with Coleman Around 1:03:00 into the episode
Megan Phelps Roper

…to sort of bring about some sense of accountability. Again, not to punish people for their sins of the past, but to figure out how to do better in the future and to sort of have this maybe collective immunization from this happening again, at least in our lifetimes. That would be ideal.

Coleman Hughes

…showing pretty convincingly that religious people in America at least are happier than non-religious people? And if so, do you think that's correlation or causation? And have you thought about, you know, independent of whether religions are true, the happiness value that they might provide?

Megan Phelps Roper

…and, you know, sacrificing for one another. People don't talk so much about sacrificing for each other these days too much, maybe outside of their own like immediate families. But anyway, so to go back to your actual question though, like about happiness, I might believe that. I will say though, too, I don't think you can talk yourself in. I mean, I was going to say, talk yourself into belief. Like you can't just decide to believe. You can decide to belong though. Like if you decide that you want to go to church every Sunday and you want to take part in these rituals of religious life, maybe that does make you happier, even in the absence of belief. But for me, like having been a believer in that way, like and such a staunch believer, like the absence of that, I think would be that's part of what keeps me out of religious communities now, aside from the fact that I just don't necessarily like believe like what they believe.

Coleman Hughes

Right. I mean, the community piece is one I've heard a lot of people say. You know, obviously it's harder to build your own community that's like stable and really, you know, survives long periods of time. It's much easier to be born into one that already has a natural stability. But the other…

Megan Phelps Roper

Yeah, choice is both like a burden and a privilege. You know, when I left Westboro, I was so overwhelmed by making any decision because decision-making was, as I like to put it, like a muscle that had atrophied. I had so little control over my life at Westboro. And while like when I was younger…

Coleman Hughes

How do you raise your children with respect to religious belief? What do you tell them when they ask mommy, is there a God? What are the kinds of conversations you have with them? And how do you approach that?

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“It's because the church believes in predestination. So literally everything is predestinated by God… God doesn't hate you because you sin. You sin because God hates you.” — Megan Phelps Roper, Conversations with Coleman

Phelps-Roper, who grew up in and left the Westboro Baptist Church, explains its theology to Coleman Hughes. When misfortune hits an outsider the church calls it punishment meant to harden their hearts; when it hits a member, it's "chastisement" meant to correct them. Hughes had asked why God would want to keep anyone in their sin.

Conversations with Coleman · 2026-10-14 Permalink → Listen →
Conversations with Coleman Around 30:29 into the episode
Megan Phelps Roper

…anyways, like the idea of it being chastisement is like something that will cause you to change your ways. Whereas when it happens to an outsider, it's something that God is using to harden their hearts, to keep them in their sin rather than to cause them to change their ways. Interesting. That's

Coleman Hughes

interesting. Why would God want to keep someone in their sin?

Megan Phelps Roper

So this is, it's because the church believes in predestination. So literally every everything is predestinated by God. And so you can think about it in terms of like, you know, you are not sinning, like God doesn't hate you because you sin. You sin because God hates you.

Coleman Hughes

Right.

Megan Phelps Roper

God preserves you. It says Romans 1, this is three times, you know, God hardened their hearts. And Jesus actually talks about this, hardens their hearts, stops up their ears, and blinds them. Their eyes. So, yeah, to keep them, to preserve them in their sin. So, where were we? So, you were

Coleman Hughes

just finishing up the story of the Good Samaritan and why this is a good entry point for people that don't appreciate biblical stories.

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