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Randy Shoup

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Randy Shoup has been a guest on Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software developers (5 times) , The InfoQ Podcast (3 times) , Oxide and Friends and Refactoring .

Recently: “Shipping faster didn’t save eBay – with Randy Shoup” on Refactoring (November 2026); “Architecture Should Model the World as It Really Is: A Conversation with Randy Shoup” on The InfoQ Podcast (November 2025); “A Half-Century of Silicon Valley with Randy Shoup” on Oxide and Friends (February 2025); “Your Software Will Fail, It is How You Recover That Matters: A Conversation with Randy Shoup” on The InfoQ Podcast (February 2025); “Episode 525: Randy Shoup on Evolving Architecture and Organization at eBay” on Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software developers (August 2022); “SE-Radio Episode 355: Randy Shoup Scaling Technology and Organization” on Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software developers (February 2019).

What They Said

The host asked whether the eBay program Shoup led, which made teams roughly 10x faster at deploying, actually moved the business. Shoup says it did not, because the real bottleneck was upstream planning and culture, not engineering speed.

Refactoring · 2026-11-13 Permalink → Listen →
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Randy Shoup

Yeah.

Speaker 4

And so I also know that after you've done all such work, but I want to hear from you. You didn't think this moved the business a lot in the end. Yeah,

Randy Shoup

it didn't move the business at all. And does that mean I am not proud of it? No, I'm so proud of my team. Like the world is a better place because the teams are high performers instead of medium performers. Like everybody's much happier. And also, again, if you take the, and that was looking at, that's like looking at the value stream map from the perspective of the software engineering organization. But when you look at the value…

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Randy Shoup

Or you're, yeah, you don't like, yeah, again, this is analogies coming to me right away. And because, you know, since you're Italian. So like imagine, yeah, imagine you get in a Ferrari and you do not know how to double clutch or whatever. Okay. Like, like an expert, you know, Verstappen knows how…

Speaker 4

Yes.

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