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Lisbeth Mikoleit

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Lisbeth Mikoleit has been a guest on What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath .

Recently: “A Contortionist” on What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath (October 2026).

What They Said

“When you're doing shows, directors always want the flashy skills … Because I understand that if I do a crazy hard trick and I move really slow, people will probably clap and they'll like it. But they never ever will clap as much as when I just run in little circles around my head. Never ever.” — Lisbeth Mikoleit, What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath

The contortionist on what audiences actually respond to. Her hardest work depends on slow control of tiny muscles, but the crowd-pleaser is a fast, familiar move: running her legs in little circles around her head.

What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath · 2026-10-18 Permalink → Listen →
What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath Around 20:38 into the episode
Lisbeth Mikoleit

…error for someone like me. If I tried that, like it would probably be saving me from injury. But for you, it's like a false alarm. Exactly. Exactly. It's like you're constantly trying to do the exact opposite of what would be smart and safe, but it thinks it's protecting you. It's very frustrating.

Dan Heath

Yeah. Well, so give me an example. Like paint us a picture of what you would look like on stage doing something that kind of exploits your mastery of these micro muscles.

Lisbeth Mikoleit

Okay, so this is a thing that actually comes up a lot because when you're doing shows, directors always want the flashy skills, and it's really important that you can do those flashy skills. Because I understand that if I do a crazy hard trick and I move really slow, people will probably clap and they'll like it. But they never ever will clap as much as when I just run in little circles around my head. Never ever.

Dan Heath

Wait, let me just process that. When I run in little circles around my...

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So it's like if you're laying down and you run your legs up around over your head in like a little circle like a spider, people go crazy, and that's almost everybody's finale trick because it's like guaranteed something about it being so like fast and also visually like accessible, like a normal…

Dan Heath

Oh, so it's almost like beyond their comprehension. So they they don't have the same like bodily intuition or something.

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“There's no you're magic and chosen for this element. It's just how long you're willing to do the work, and so that's the most offensive thing you can ask anyone who's an athlete: when did you discover you were just gifted like that?” — Lisbeth Mikoleit, What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath

A professional contortionist explains that she is not naturally flexible and dislikes the idea of people being "chosen ones" with innate gifts. Dan Heath notes that some people are naturally bendy, but that this is only a head start.

What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath · 2026-10-18 Permalink → Listen →
What It's Like To Be... with Dan Heath Around 08:44 into the episode
Lisbeth Mikoleit

…I'm not a naturally flexible person, and there was no magical discovery element. I'm a big Harry Potter hater because I hate this nonsense about like, oh, you're like just the chosen one, and some people are special and they have special skills, and it's all about like natural ingrained aptitude.

Dan Heath

…are some people who are naturally bendy. They might have joint hypermobility or a connective tissue disorder. But Lisbeth's point is twofold. Number one, she didn't have that advantage, and number two, even for those people, the natural bendiness is just a head start. There's so much more to it.

Lisbeth Mikoleit

There's no you're magic and chosen for this element. It's just how long you're willing to do the work, and so that's like the most offensive thing you can ask anyone who's like an athlete is just when did you discover you were just gifted like that?

Dan Heath

Oh, I love this.

Lisbeth Mikoleit

Because they want to believe you can do it and they can't because you're just lucky. Lisbeth caught the contortion bug at a Cirque du Soleil show when she was 11 years old. And so, that I did what every child does who gets inspired and gets excited to do something, and I went home and I just…

Dan Heath

Her mom found an ebook written by a Swedish guy.

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