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Abby Bangser

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Abby Bangser has been a guest on Page it to the Limit , Thoughtworks Technology Podcast , O11ycast , Platform Engineering Podcast , Cloud Unfiltered and Maintainable .

Recently: “What does the concept of the platform mean in an era of AI agents?” on Thoughtworks Technology Podcast (November 2026); “Building Real-World Platforms: Abby Bangser on CNCF, Kratix, & Syntasso” on Platform Engineering Podcast (April 2025); “Platform Engineering in a Cloud-First World” on Cloud Unfiltered (August 2024); “Platform Engineering With Abby Bangser” on Page it to the Limit (January 2024); “Ep. #16, Observability and Test Engineers with Abby Bangser of MOO” on O11ycast (February 2020); “Abby Bangser: Building Trust In Your Deployment Pipeline” on Maintainable (December 2019).

What They Said

“They said they don't need a platform, but they have one. … They said they're going to go deploy it out to Google Cloud. That's a platform. … The minute that you have multiple people in your organization depending on agents of a certain shape or scope or context or domain, they become platforms.” — Abby Bangser, Thoughtworks Technology Podcast

Ken Mugrage described a well-known industry figure claiming that agents building seven versions of an app make platforms unnecessary. Abby Bangser answers that they are already relying on platforms, just ones that sit higher up as today's tooling becomes a commodity.

Thoughtworks Technology Podcast · 2026-11-12 Permalink → Listen →
Thoughtworks Technology Podcast Around 32:33 into the episode
Abby Bangser

…12-factor apps, they don't have, you know, whatever is the requirement to use that PaaS are actually the ones working on the biggest revenue generating part of your business. And you've created them a bad experience when that's actually where you maybe need the most agility being injected, right?

Ken Mugrage

…advocate a little bit, but, you know, there's also some shred of truth to it, right? And so, you know, in today's age where I can just go tell my AI tool to do things, is this still as important? Is it more important? Is it less important? Is it just a shift? What's this due to your thinking?

Abby Bangser

I think the biggest thing is that they said they don't need a platform, but they have one. They have a few platforms in there, right? So first of all, I heard you say they're going to go deploy it out to Google Cloud. That's a platform. There you go. They also said that they're going to go after agents. Well, if they're a single developer, they might not think of it like a platform. But the minute that you have multiple people in your organization depending on agents of a certain…

Ken Mugrage

So are agents just faster consumers or are they a completely different kind of user?

Abby Bangser

I think they're faster consumers. I think, well, so I think that that is what they become is they become really, in some ways, really smart and in some ways really silly faster consumers. So probably a bit like your puppy, to be fair. So they're a bit like Mongo. They're like, I can go do…

Ken Mugrage

So one of the quotes I saw attributed to you, first off, let me know if it's wrong, but that you said more users means more edge cases. What should our listeners watch for? I mean, what breaks first when you have an order of magnitude more users or consumers?

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