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Andy Budd

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Co-founded the UX agency Clearleft and has spent years advising design leaders and startups on how design teams grow and change. His recent focus is on how AI tools are reshaping who gets hired and what design work looks like day to day. Appeared on the AI and Design podcast to argue that AI has hit mid-level designers hardest, since a junior with a strong AI workflow can now match what used to take years of experience, and that product decisions are moving toward full automation.

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Andy Budd writes [Andy's Newsletter] and writes Articles on Smashing Magazine β€” For Web Designers And Developers . They have also been a guest on Boagworld: UX, Design Leadership, Marketing & Conversion Optimization (6 times) , One Knight in Product (2 times) , Rosenfeld Review Podcast , Aurelius Podcast , AI and Design , Awkward Silences , Brave UX with Brendan Jarvis πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ , Getting2Alpha and UX Podcast .

Recently: “Deep Dive: Andy Budd on the Future of the Design Industry” on AI and Design (August 2026); “The Bull And Bear Case For Digital Design In The Age Of AI” on Articles on Smashing Magazine β€” For Web Designers And Developers (July 2026); “Day 5: Two humans in the loop” on [Andy's Newsletter] (March 2026); “Day 4: The AWS outage and the ceremony of approval” on [Andy's Newsletter] (March 2026); “Day 3: The convenient myth of the fully capable operator” on [Andy's Newsletter] (March 2026); “Day 2: The ghost in the machine” on [Andy's Newsletter] (March 2026).

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“a junior with a really good AI stack is indistinguishable from a mid-level person with a really good AI stack.” β€” Andy Budd, AI and Design

Andy Budd argues that AI tools have hurt mid-level designers more than juniors or seniors, because a few years of experience plus a good AI workflow now matches what used to take a decade to build. He frames this as the real casualty of the AI shift in design careers.

AI and Design Β· 2026-08-18 Permalink β†’ Listen β†’
AI and Design Around 39:03 into the episode
Andy Budd

I have this really terrible joke. Like, how many designers does it take to screw in a light bulb? Well, first, we need to do a six-month study in the role of light in society. This is how often, or this is how a lot of our business partners see. They just say, hey, look, the light bulb's broken. Can you fit a light bulb? And us designers are going, hey, you know, we've seen conversations with Johnny Ives. We're like, you know, like, hey, maybe the real question isn't like a light bulb. Maybe it's a form of light creation or the ability to see in the dark. And like, hey, if we step back, maybe it's not a light bulb, it's a candle. Maybe it's a spotlight. Maybe it's something that we've never even dreamed of before. And from a design perspective, that's wonderful. And the product manager is like, I just need the light to be turned on because it's dark and we need to get our work done. And so it's this tension that I see that is constantly frustrating. So yeah, it's this lash of cultures. And a lot of my coaching work is trying to help design leaders navigate through those challenges. But yeah, I do think the AI gives designers the opportunity not only to argue for a course of action, but to actually launch it and see whether it works. You know, again, I'm bouncing around a lot of design law here, but I love Doug Bowman, amazing guy, used to work at Google. He was asked by the Google. Engineers to multivariate test the color of a link. And the law goes that he was so frustrated by how engineering-driven the Google mindset was. He thought it was a ridiculous thing that you would have to try 50 different versions of the color blue, you know, to just believe in the design authority and it doesn't matter. And so he handed his notice in and left. That's the law. I'm sure there's a lot more to it. And then obviously a few months later, the Google engineers came back and said, well, actually, we tested it. And there was a 0.1% difference between this blue and this blue. But for a company that sees a billion users a year a day, actually, that made a statistically valid choice that meant we had, I don't know, I'm making up the number, 50 million more clicks on this link than we had before. And so it's that tension there that I think makes it really difficult, which is also why I think a lot of designers are moving to doing their own thing. Because if you're doing your own thing, you get to make the choices. You know, you can choose whether you want to multivariate and test 50 versions of blue, or you can choose that you just want to go with your gut because this is what you want to do. A lot of the designers building their own thing, it's giving them a level of agency, which they haven't had for years. You know, for the last 10 years, like I say, they've been told what to build, they've been told how to build it, they've been told when to deliver it. And that can be really agency sapping. Whereas now, if you want to go out and use Claude Code to build your own little small app or your small business, it's delightful because no one's telling you what to do. So I'm seeing a whole generation of designers falling back in love again with the act of making and building and shipping because they are the ones that are in charge of doing that. And it's really, really great. And it feels really freeing. So I think that's an interesting trend.

Dan Saffer

In both your bull and bear scenarios, it seems like the winners, if there is such a thing, are more senior designers or senior leads that it doesn't seem to allow for too much space for junior designers, except maybe when it comes to entrepreneurship, because they don't have, they don't have that innate product sense that's been built up for years. How, how do you address that?

Andy Budd

Yeah, I don't know. Again, I can't remember the name of the title, but I wrote an article about this similar thing a while ago. So when the AI boom started, I thought it was going to destroy foundational jobs, early jobs. And I thought that this would be good for senior people, engineers, and designers, until those senior people retire and there are no more senior people. Because if you don't have a pipeline of junior people, they never become mid-level, they never become senior. I think the article was about mangrove forests, which are where the little tiny fish go and hide from the big predators and they grow and they get bigger and then they move to the coral reefs. And so I think my thinking was that this would be really problematic. And I think there is some evidence that people are now in certain roles, you know, let's say law, rather than hiring a bunch of junior legal secretaries or associates to go through all of the case law where you learn the ins and outs, you're now using AI to do that. And so I think there are certain there are certain industries where that entry-level role has been cut out and diminished. Weirdly though, I think in the engineering world, particularly, maybe design world as well, it's actually the mid-level people that I think have been hit the worst because a lot of the mid-level people, you know, they are maybe, you know, not the best designers in their team. Maybe they're mid-level manager. Maybe they're not designing anymore. You know, they're managing a team of five people, but it's not that hard managing a team of five people. And so, you know, a lot of those mid-level people are being cut out. And actually, the people they're managing, they've maybe two, three years worth of experience in their career. You put two or three year experience designer next to a bunch of foundation models and they can actually start shipping designs that are maybe equivalent of the mid-level designer, but at 30, 40% of the cost. And so I actually think it's the mid-level people that are being eaten up at the moment. These are the ones that haven't engaged with AI yet, or they have, but they're just a junior with a really good AI stack is indistinguishable from a mid-level person with a really good AI stack. And so you ditch the people in the middle. The other thing that I think is happening is that basically, whenever there's a pivot, the things that you knew that made you mid-level aren't relevant anymore, or many of them aren't. In the early days of the web, A lot of a lot of traditional print designers moved over to being web designers. And sure, their knowledge of typography was really important. Their knowledge of color theory was really important. But they often struggled with the imprecise nature of the layout, the fact that it would look different on different browsers, the fact that the screen would move and we'd have these flexible systems, the fact that you didn't have this at all. And so you were looking at these print designers and thinking, well, actually, you've got 10 years worth of print experience, but 70% of what you've learned is now no longer relevant. And the 30% that you have learned is really useful, but you can actually learn that 30% really quickly. You can get, you know, a book on typography. You can get a book on color theory as a junior. And so there was a time, you know, when probably me and you started where like I was a terrible designer, but I knew enough about it to be able to do as good enough design as a really good print person who was transitioning into being a web designer. And so I think this is where we are with juniors. Like I'm meeting a lot of younger designers who are two, three, four years in their career who are arguably like AI native, who are knowing how to use the tools, knowing how to use a tech stack, are not afraid to get their hands dirty. They're not afraid about titles or UX. They don't care if they're called a UX designer or a design engineer or any of that stuff. They're just getting stuck in shipping. And actually they're shipping really, really good work at a lower cost than someone who is maybe should have 10 years more experience. And so I think that is what's happened. I think the middle, like a badly racy flee, the middle of the design market has dropped. Again, a lot of the people I know, a lot of my friends, a lot of people I'm coaching are that kind of mid-level of designer that are either going, shit, I need to go back to being a practitioner. I've been a design leader for the last five years. I haven't shipped. I need to become a player coach. My Figma skills are now irrelevant. I need to go back and I need to retrain. I need to get better at these AI tools because I need to, very least, I need to manage these people and know what they're talking about. And more likely, my product manager doesn't want a leader. They want someone that can ship. And so I need to be able to ship like the best of them. And so I think the whole nature and makeup of the industry's change, not necessarily because of AI, but I think AI has accelerated that.

Dan Saffer

What do you think in these scenarios happens to? I mean, we've been talking about what happens to people inside product orgs. What happens to the design industry? I mean, as a thing, is it a collapse? Because there's conferences, there's coaches, there's educators, there's a whole group of people that are part of the industry that this is going to affect them. If suddenly there's 50% less designers, that's a big impact.

Andy Budd

It is. It's almost like Thanos has come and clicked his fingers and half of, you know, potentially half of the design world. Yeah. Who knows? I honestly don't know. I say that the bull case is its peak designer is 95%. That's entirely possible. There are plenty of people out there that will look back at past technical innovations and say, every time a new technical innovation has come along, everyone said that jobs are going to be destroyed. And some jobs have been destroyed, but that technology also creates a whole bunch of new jobs. And for some people, maybe they're early to middle of their career, they are around and are flexible enough where they can pivot into from the old role to the new role. And there are maybe some people who are slightly longer in their tooth that don't want to pivot and they will maybe age out. And so there might be a simple transition. There aren't too many people who are doing lead-based typography anymore. You know, there was a time when a newspaper had to have people doing the design using layout. Some of them moved to desktop publishing. Some of them retired. Don't now, you know, some people take it up as a hobby. You know, there literally is, there's a really old heritage press in the town next to me. There's a 300-year-old metal type press. And people do it for fun. They let oppress posters because it's fun. So maybe that's where we've been moving. A lot of people will transition into something new. Maybe everyone will become a design engineer. What happens next? I think there'll be a bunch of boutique designers just love doing it. You know, I know a bunch of people that were heads of design at big tech companies. They've made their money. They run a little design studio, not because they need to pay the bills because they've got their mortgage paid off or whatever, because they love doing design and it becomes almost being a carpenter or running a little thrift shop. You're not doing it because you make a lot of money. You're just doing it for the love of it. And so that's one future. It might be that the amount of design that's needed is infinitely increased. It might be the same way at the moment. Engineers are not being made redundant. There's more desire for engineers with AI skills than ever before. So there's a possibility it might uptick. And there's a possibility in Mandantic. There's a possibility that this is different. The model I use is most of these sort of technical innovations, we have given up a lower level human skill for high level human skill. It used to be that you would use physical labor to pump water and then you attach a horse to the pump or you attach a steam engine to the pump and now you no longer need to use physical labor. So you can use, you know, you move to using IQ and intelligence. And then you maybe sit in a room full of people calculating things and then a spreadsheet comes along and now you don't need this room full of calculators. But then maybe you're using creativity. And for the last, you know, the last 20 years, we've been knowledge workers. We have been using our knowledge built up over 20, 30 years to deliver work. I think AI is a great knowledge work killer because how can you compete against a machine that has the whole sum total of human knowledge? But maybe we're moving away from knowledge work towards judgment work, which is another word for taste. And so if these systems are still spitting stuff out, there might be need for people that have got judgment and taste to guide what gets built and how we build it and all that kind of stuff. And so I think those senior people will actually move more into a product leadership equal, less hands-on, more coordinating, more orchestrating. But I do think there is a world where 90% of design is automated. Now, there's one thing, again, because I'm not putting any value judgment here. If you are a young designer, this is quite scary. But if you're a young solicitor, this is quite scary. If you're a young engineer, this is quite scary. If you're young anything at the moment, it's quite scary. It's really hard to know where the job market will go. I think the skills I'd be teaching my students aren't particular design skills, but the ability to learn, which is arguably what university was always meant to be. I think we're moving into a world where you will probably have to change your career every six or seven or eight years. Not change your job or change your role, but change your career. And so I think if you are somebody that loves new technology, loves to learn, is incredibly flexible, you might start down a design career path now. And it might, as we know it, it might last for five, six, seven, eight years. And then something else will come along and you will pivot. And that might be a different form of design or it might be something else entirely. Or you might choose to open, you know, become a plumber or open a cafe or a bike repair shop or whatever. I'm increasingly meeting people that literally, I had my house painted a couple of weeks ago. There's a guy in the street painting a house. I was like, do you do this? He's like, yeah, I used to be a marketer, but there's no work for marketers anymore. So now I paint houses. I was like, oh, well, come and paint my house. Maybe we're all going to be painting houses in the future. I don't know.

Dan Saffer

Well, that seems like a good place to end this. Oh, a terrifying place

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“We are moving to a world of dark product teams where the product team is an AI that does all this for you.” β€” Andy Budd, AI and Design

Andy Budd was describing how design and product decisions could become fully automated, drawing a parallel to lights-out manufacturing plants where robots work without humans present. He argues design and product management are heading the same way.

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AI and Design Around 09:26 into the episode
Andy Budd

yeah i mean this is it look again it's something we're going to get into but i honestly believe that we reached peak designer somewhere kind of middle of the pandemic so 21 22 and by peak designer i mean the maximum number of designers the western world at least will ever need and then the last two or three years we've seen multiple rounds of layoffs lots of these big tech companies massively expanded when money was cheap and prevalent and they've now massively tightened their belts and this was before the ai kind of boom really kicked in and so the thing i'm questioning at the moment is like i think we've reached the peak i don't know where it will settle will it settle at 95 of the maximum will it settle 80 of the maximum will it settle at 60 or 40 or 20 who knows but i think we've definitely hit that peak and so i think there are going to be lots of designers out there who are competing for more jobs fewer jobs than there are designers and i think entrepreneurism is a is a really viable route i think that again from the vc world three or four years ago if a designer came to you and wanted money you'd be like well where's your technical co-founder who's going to build this thing now we have the tools at our fingers i'm seeing so many of my designer friends particularly you know designer friends who have been design leaders for many years who are now Building and exploring loads of interesting apps on the side, and so it's really unlocking the ability for people to be curious, to be playful, to not have to invest a ton of time or money into starting a business. And you know, you launch a thing and you stick it up there, maybe you get five users, maybe you get 5,000 users, maybe you get 500,000 users. And then, you know, once you found that product market fit, then maybe you can go and start building a team around it. So I think it's giving people a lot of optionality. And I think, particularly, say a lot of people I know have been made redundant. If you're sitting around for six months, if it's taking you six months to find that new job, upskilling AI skills and building and shipping a product is a really, really good way of spending your time while you're waiting for some AI HR bot to like review your portfolio. You're waiting for your AI bot to apply for the thing that the other AI bot is judging, you know, can just go and start playing and experimenting on the fringes. So yeah, I think it's an interesting brave new world.

Dan Saffer

One of our guests recently said, Yeah, this is the golden age of side projects where everyone's doing a side project because you can just fire up a Claude or Codex or any of the others and just start to start to work on things. So let's get to the article. Can you lay out the bull case and the bear case? What are those two things as we look ahead? And I'm guessing this is a short-term view, right? This is imagine this is going to all play out in the next year or so, right? I mean, this wasn't a long-term vision. This was probably something that's going to happen soon.

Andy Budd

Yes. Okay. So in all honesty, it was a bit of a silly LinkedIn-y type article. A lot of the finance world talk about the bull case and the bear case, the bull being the positive outcome, the bear being the negative. And I just thought it was quite a catchy title. But really, what the article was showing is we are in this weird Schrodinger's design career where we haven't opened the box yet. We don't know whether the design industry is alive or dead yet. And hopefully, you're right. In the next year or two, a new shape will form. Actually, before I get onto the bull and bear case, you know, because you mentioned something there, I wrote an article around the same time called The Six Levels of Adaptive Software, which I actually think really defines where we're heading. There are six levels of driverless car. You know, zero is basically you drive it yourself, five is that it automatically drives everywhere. I think people say that Waymo is a four and Tesla thinks it's a four or five, but really is probably a two. I think that is ultimately where we are heading with a lot, but not all of design. I think at the moment, we are sort of at level one where design teams are starting to explore around the edges and automate certain parts of the process. I think very quickly we will start to have systems that run human out-of-the-loop multivariate tests in the background. At the moment, if you want to do a multivariate test, a product manager or designer will come up with a test, they'll come up with the screens and you will run it through your multivariate testing system. Because most systems have quite a you know, most companies have quite a sophisticated design system. You don't really need a designer to actually assemble the parts of the multivariate test. And actually, if you've got a smart AI that's looking at all of your analytic, there's a really good chance that the AI can come up with tests. And actually, I'm seeing startups are doing just that. In fact, I'm seeing startups that know their system could run completely autonomously. But at the moment, product managers don't feel comfortable trusting it. And so they're basically kind of crippling it. They're almost saying, hey, look, you know, we have self-driving at the moment, but people don't feel comfortable self-driving. And so we're going to just do like lane assist or speed, you know, whatever. I think the first, the first or second level, I can't remember which the levels were, but very soon we're going to have automated multivariate testing. Once you've got automated multivariate testing, then we can say, well, look, multivariate testing is usually done for one user group. Why don't we self-optimize for five or six user groups? Rather than having a single local Maxima, why don't we have five or six local maxima? And so you start pushing out different designs for different user groups. Eventually, everybody will be a user group of one because, you know, the same way as Netflix, back in the old days, if I wanted to program a day's worth of TV, a human would have to program that and decide what came on where. Now I go to Netflix and the Netflix algorithm knows me, knows what I like. Generally, it gives me a really bad set of suggestions because even after 20 years, you know, Netflix and Amazon are still pretty bad at this, but it's better than what terrestrial TV does. I think we're moving to that way with design and AI, where I will come to a system, come to a shopping experience, let's say, and based on what the website knows about me, what the app knows about me, will assemble on the fly an interface pulled from all the component parts it has. It will know. In the UK, it will know what credit card I have. It will optimize the checkout flow. It will know the clothes I like if it's a clothing site. It might even have an image of me. And so it might pop me in a 3D avatar of the clothes so I see what it looks like myself. So, in this world, we're moving to this world where I think these systems will just design themselves. And so, I really think in five to 10 years, maybe 15 years, a lot of the big sites will be self-automating in the same ways in the manufacturing world. We talk about dark warehouses or dark manufacturing plants where there are so many automated robots and so few humans that you can turn the lights off because the robots just work without any humans there. We are moving to a world of dark product teams where the product team is an AI that does all this for you. So, this is where I think we're heading. I think that will mean that a lot of people in large companies won't be needed to do the design product management role. I think there will always be smaller companies that need that. You know, if you are using a Shopify account, then it will probably do that for you, but there'll be these smaller midterm brands. And so, that's the future. But you're right, that my bull and bear case is really the now to two years. We are in this really weird moment, which we haven't quite figured out yet. Whereby, if you are a product manager, you can now design. If you're a designer, you can now ship code. If you're a coder, you can now ideate and do kind of customer discovery and synthetic users to figure out what you want to build. And so, every single one of these distinct roles in the trifecta is now encroaching and creeping in to everybody else's role. Now, this is really interesting because I think for the designer, up until recently, a lot of designers were incredibly frustrated because we would see the things that were broken on our products. But in order to enact those changes, we had to petition. We had to petition for the product manager to put it on their carefully guarded backlog. We had to petition for engineering to get some time in their budget. We had to petition for all this stuff. And because design typically is lower in the hierarchy and also lower down the discovery chain of product, it was really hard for designers to get any time. And if we were ever given a little bit of time, it's up. Let's give the designers a sprint so they can do a bit of design debt management. Yeah, exactly. So, I think a lot of the time, or at least the last five or 10 years, design has been relegated to being Figma operators. Somebody further up the chain gives us a PRD. The PRD, you know, our product leaders think it's 90% of the solution. We get it and we realize it's 20% of the solution. So, already there's like a gulf there, but we basically dutifully go and try and fill out the PRD in Figma. And, you know, we'll be given a happy path. And we design a few non-happy paths, the exceptions, you know, the stuff that hasn't been filled in, and then we ship it and we do it again. I think AI changes that because now, in a vaguely communist Marxist way, we have been given the means of production. No longer do us designers have to go and ask capping hand for the boss, can we do this? Now, if we see some design debt and we have the tools and the capabilities to ship it because we're using AI, we can just see that design debt, we can fix a problem, we can put it into production, maybe we can launch it live, or at the very least, we put it into some holding pen where the engineers just look at it and go, you know, this is good enough. Similarly, like if we have an idea for a solution, rather than what we used to do is go to a meeting and give a really big like pitch deck or go and try and get six months' worth of research budget to prove our silly little idea was correct. Now we can go with a prototype that we have created over the weekend. Obviously, so has the product leader and so has the CEO and so has the CFO and so is the CFO's partner and CFO partners dog groomer. Everyone's coming. It's almost concerned of meetings now. Everyone turns up with a prototype and then it's which is the prototype that's better. But at the least we can see it. We're not having to go to them and say, hey, you know, can we get permission to do a week-long design sprint? Or can we get permission to get three engineers to build a prototype? And so we have much more control of showing viscerally our ideas. And I say, sometimes we might have to still get permission, but increasingly we'll just ship them. And so that for me was the bull case. The bull case is that designers are now potentially that the yoke has been taken off. The manacles have been taken off and we can ship. The single truth isn't a slide deck, a PowerPoint deck anymore. The single truth is what's live on the website. It's that whole ask permission rather forgiveness. It's much easier to go to your meeting and say, hey, look, I launched a thing and it's doing really well, rather than going, please, sir, may I have two months worth of resource on your already overwhelmed backlog. And so this is for me the bull case. The bull case is the brakes are off, the handcuffs are off and everyone is racing to ship. And I think that's really, really exciting. The risk is that we're slightly late to the party, you know, for really good reasons. The models really changed the end of last year, and the engineers were the first people to start using and start shipping them. And then, after the engineers, the product leaders got on board because a lot of the product leadership stuff is more thought partnery, it doesn't require dedicated tools. And it's taken a while for the pencils and papers of the world to catch up. And it's taken even longer, arguably, for the figmas of the world to make something that's vaguely half-decent. And so, I think a lot of the designs I meet are now nine months behind and now starting to adopt tools. They're either adopting the engineering tech stack or code or whatever, in which case they are basically becoming design engineers, and that requires a certain set shift. Or if you're a classic UX designer, you have been wondering to try and find the perfect tool set and you're slowly building out your design tool stack and you are now getting into being more productive. And so, um, we are a little bit behind. And one of the reasons why you I'm running this conference in the UK, Design plus AI, in September, because I want designers to realize where they are, realize they're a little bit behind, get up to speed really quickly. Because I do think there is a little bit of an arms race. I do think people are staking out their territory. And I think if designers don't do it, as has been shown over the years, other business partners will take that away. I mean, you know, you know, most of the designers I know are really nice, ethical, liberal-minded people who have big problems with the way that the training data was captured. They've got big problems with the ethical and moral way that the LLMs have been created. But if we sit around and debate that, someone else is going to eat our lunch. And so, I think we need to accept that the horse has bolted, that the data has been stolen, it's been trained, and it's there. The irony is obviously now all the big LLM companies in America are crying foul at the Chinese open source models, the open weight models, because they're doing exactly the same, which I think is a lovely little bit of Schauldenfreude. But I think we need to, irrespective of how we feel about the technology, I do think it's here to stay in some shape and form, and designers need to come in. And so, that's the bull case. And the bear case is opposite. The bear case is basically that everyone else, product management, you know, engineering takes over, they start doing all of the really interesting strategic stuff that we always want to do, but never can do. And ultimately, design sort of shrivels on the vine. And the main role of design in the future could potentially be the managers of the design system. You know, you might have like you might have a 200, 300-person engineering team, and you might have a five-person design system team that basically manages the design system that all of the engineers and product managers ship. And so, I think that is definitely the bare case that design shrinks down into being little more than the people that look after the design system.

Dan Saffer

Is that where quote-unquote taste lives? Taste, the judgment lives in the design system.

Andy Budd

Fiend organized a meetup in San Francisco at the beginning of the year, and Lou Rosenfeld called me out in front of a room full of peers, like, Oh, Andy, you've got really strong views on taste. And I was like, Do I? I wasn't sure I did. Um, because I think taste is a hot topic button at the moment. One of the things I love about designers, we're really good at taking the things we're good at and telling everybody that they're rubbish. Everyone's a designer, you know, personas are rubbish, wireframes are rubbish, types are rubbish. I think for the last 10 or 20 years, we've basically all the things we're really good at doing, we've told everybody else they're rubbish. You know, the last one before taste was empathy. There was a time when it was like the super skill that designers have is empathy, and then everyone's like, No, no, no. Are you saying that, like, you know, the product manager or the engineer isn't empathetic? And so, we're really good at kind of throwing away the things that are special to us. Like, so my point, my position on taste is this: I do think that over the career, designers get very, very honed in on like a visual acuity of knowing what is cool, what is interesting, what works. Some people could say it's an unconscious competence of the conscious competence, unconscious competence model. A lot of designers get to a point where they just have a feeling for design in the way that the book, Miss Smiller's Feeling for Snow, has a feeling for snow. Or there was a really great sci-fi book where the main character had a weird acuity to brand. I think it was one of the kind of neuromancery

Dan Saffer

recognition. Yes, and

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