Chris Coyier

Things Chris Says on Podcasts

A web developer known for building tools and writing for front-end developers, Chris Coyier founded CSS-Tricks, ran it from 2007 to 2022, and co-founded CodePen, a widely used coding playground for HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. He co-hosts Shop Talk Show with Dave Rupert, a long-running podcast on front-end web design and development, and has appeared as a guest on other developer shows including The Changelog, JS Party, PodRocket, and Maintainable.

Where to Find Them

Chris Coyier hosts and writes Shop Talk Show , hosts CodePen Radio and writes Maintainable . They have also been a guest on JS Party: JavaScript, CSS, Web Development (5 times) , Whiskey Web and Whatnot (5 times) , Boagworld: UX, Design Leadership, Marketing & Conversion Optimization (3 times) , PodRocket (3 times) , Syntax (Wes Bos & Scott Tolinski) (2 times) , The Changelog (2 times) , User Defenders – UX Design & Personal Growth (2 times) , Front End Happy Hour , The Stack Overflow Podcast , Enjoy the Vue , Web Rush and This is HCD: Human-Centred Design, UX & Service Design .

Recently: “445: CodePen AI is Here” on CodePen Radio (October 2026); “737: CSS alpha(), SVG with linked-parameters, and Arguing with Humans” on Shop Talk Show (October 2026); “444: A Gosh-Dang Full-Blown Read/Write API” on CodePen Radio (October 2026); “736: Building Design Systems Using AI with TJ Pitre” on Shop Talk Show (October 2026); “443: Image Hosting is Quite Powerful on CodePen” on CodePen Radio (October 2026); “735: Design System Docs, CodePen’s API, and Bucket Filling Conversations” on Shop Talk Show (October 2026).

What They Said

“Nine years of usage of this product, and you never once felt compelled to become a paying customer of it. In a way, I'm not building the next generation of CodePen for you. I'm not. I can't do that. That's stupid. That's a bad business decision. I need to make a new CodePen for new people that aren't you that might be compelled to pay.” — Chris Coyier, Shop Talk Show

Coyier on complaints about CodePen's redesign from long-time users who never upgraded. He counts those nine unpaid years as the company's own failure, and still says he can't build the next version around those users.

Shop Talk Show · 2026-10-05 Permalink → Listen →
Shop Talk Show Around 38:54 into the episode
Speaker 2

we're trying to do. And it's, it's mostly fine, you know?

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it's, I think like the podcast addressed it really well. Just like, yeah, it's like, you know, we, we know if we're going to launch, people hate new things immediately. You know, that's the default reaction, you know, like

Speaker 2

there's some hard lessons in here. Like, here's an example that, yeah. You, some user has a real affinity for CodePen. They've been using it for a long time, say nine years or something like that. They've never once upgraded. They're a long time user. It's not like they have no value. Maybe they created stuff that got shared around. Maybe there are some inherent markets. Marketing or something, but still not really a strong customer. That's a fail in my book. That's like us failing as a company. Nine years of usage of this product, and you never once felt compelled to become a paying customer of it. In a way, I'm not building the next generation of CodePen for you. I'm not. I can't do that. That's stupid. That's a bad business decision. I need to make a new code pen for new people that aren't you that might be compelled to pay.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2

It's just how it is. You know, I mean, you can't get trapped in by thinking, oh, what a loyal person. Their voice is looms large in this house. It doesn't. It should loom less. I don't want to piss them off. They can hang around. I'm not trying to take anything away from that person. I just can't…

Speaker 1

Totally, totally. Yeah. Yeah. There is this element of like, cool. Like, I'm glad you like what we have. And, you know, what we have is great, but it was not great enough for you to pay for it. So I would love to architect a tool that people are willing to pay for. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. And if you…

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“…I don't give a crap what other graphic designers like. It's not a metric that matters to me in musical taste. In fact, I probably have shared less in common with your average graphic designer than I do with a construction worker.” — Chris Coyier, Shop Talk Show

Coyier is talking about music recommendation sites, and remembers a genre of them built around designers sharing what they listen to. The remark is his objection to professional identity being treated as a proxy for taste. He calls it an old rant of his a moment later.

Shop Talk Show · 2026-08-31 Permalink → Listen →
Shop Talk Show Around 40:24 into the episode
Chris Coyier

it up a little bit. Yeah,

Dave Rupert

a little swallowed up. And yeah, his brother has really great taste in music and was kind of, you know, I think before kids or whatever, did a bunch of people. I like

Chris Coyier

that. There used to be like a little too much of the like designers plus music. This is a site. If you're a graphic designer and you like music. And I always been like, I don't give a crap what other graphic designers like. It's not a metric that matters to me in musical taste. In fact, I probably have shared less in common with your average graphic designer than I do with a construction worker.

Dave Rupert

Yeah, yeah.

Chris Coyier

Anyway, that's an old rant of mine. I won't research, but this has no particular, it's just like people who like music, it looks like.

Dave Rupert

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's kind of anyway. Just join it. I think it's kind of, it's, it's beautiful to look at, but it's also just kind of like, oh, wow, I didn't know that album was, you know, where's

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