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Timnit Gebru

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Timnit Gebru writes Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast . They have also been a guest on Tech Won't Save Us (3 times) , The TWIML AI Podcast (3 times) , Democracy Now! Video (2 times) , MIT Technology Review Narrated , Uncanny Valley | WIRED , The AI Podcast (NVIDIA) , Democracy Now! Audio , Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000 , FT Tech Tonic and The Circuit with Emily Chang .

Recently: “Democracy Now! 2026-10-01 Thursday” on Democracy Now! Audio (October 2026); “Democracy Now! 2026-10-01 Thursday” on Democracy Now! Video (October 2026); “There Is No ‘Existential Threat’ From AI Says Timnit Gebru” on Uncanny Valley | WIRED (September 2026); “Democracy Now! 2026-08-13 Thursday” on Democracy Now! Video (August 2026); “The AI End Game: The Ethics of AI with Timnit Gebru” on Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast (May 2026); “AI Hype Enters Its Geopolitics Era w/ Timnit Gebru” on Tech Won't Save Us (March 2025).

What They Said

“This is why I believe the superintelligence existential risk discussion is not just distracting, but dangerous. Because with automation bias, with over-trusting these machines already, if you believe that they are nearly superintelligent instead of error-prone large language models parroting things, then you're going to be less likely to check. You're going to be less likely to put checks and balances and regulation.” — Timnit Gebru, Uncanny Valley | WIRED

Gebru had just described a medical scribe that recorded a patient as microdosing mushrooms, something she had never discussed, and that nobody caught. Her argument is that the existential-risk framing does active harm by feeding automation bias, rather than merely diverting attention from present-day failures. It is a direct counterweight to the warnings coming from the labs themselves this week.

Uncanny Valley | WIRED · 2026-09-29 Permalink → Listen →
Uncanny Valley | WIRED Around 16:09 into the episode
Timnit Gebru

…that we see today, whether it's cloud, whether it is ChatGPT. But when I wrote this paper, ChatGPT hadn't come out yet, but we saw the race to build larger and larger language models. And so that's the danger of building larger and larger language models that we were describing in this paper.

Lauren Goode

That they would essentially parrot people?

Timnit Gebru

To parrot is to repeat back without understanding, right? So there was this whole, this whole existential risk narrative was happening back then too, if you can believe it. And so there was all this conversation about how OpenAI had claimed that GPT-2, the precursor to GPT-3, that powers chat GPT was too dangerous and too powerful to release. There was this conversation about whether GPTs can be ethical or they're creative and all this stuff. And so we really wanted to ground the conversation in the real issues. One of them, one of these issues is the environmental catastrophe, which a lot of people are now seeing, but we discussed it back then. And that was one of the main sections that Google people were unhappy with, the environmental cost. The other one is not documenting your data because you say you have too much data to document. The other one is deceiving people into believing that there is a mind behind the textual outputs that they're interacting with. And so there, that's where we really wanted to explain that these systems are parroting the patterns of their training data. And it's very dangerous when you're outputting text like that because when you have a plausible sounding test or very…

Lauren Goode

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