Johnson was describing building his own camera app with collaborators. Rebuilding one from scratch showed him how deliberate Apple's choices in its camera app are.
…professional cinematographers. But anyway, when I brought them this, Eric was the one who did most of the coding with this. I think both of them can code and are very proficient. I think it was a mixture. I think they did use Claude for some stuff. But I think it was a mixture to create the app. I
think there's a lot of excitement around the prototyping of things and being able to just come up with ideas and then maybe finish them off later using your skill sets and things like that. Do you think that's
leading to better stuff or more interesting stuff?
It's hard to say. I think sometimes it's like, well, being able to have an idea and then have a prototype in general is useful. There's also clearly a lot of just bad code being shipped. Google is shipping very bad vibe-coded stuff that isn't really working. Interesting. Apple's doing that a little…
was interesting. I mean, this is a different, different topic. One of the things that was really interesting for me as someone who's used the iPhone since the first version of it in going back and forth with Steve and Eric and developing the app and specifically developing the camera portion of it…
decided to do. What Apple said,
