“If you just look at the data, a large company who starts a lab, the lab is usually ineffective and fizzles out after about three to four years. Or it may have duration, but the company can never commercialize the things coming out of the lab. And so you get things like someone comes by and sees the future, and then they do it as a separate company.”

…a culture and an environment where you unblock a lot of stuff so you can just let people cook? And so that's the, that's the other part of it is like kind of creating that environment. But that we think about planning is kind of almost like rolling six months maybe is to answer your question.

…team that's dedicated to testing out the new stuff. And basically it's their job, trial the new stuff, report on what we need to pay attention to so that the rest of the company can not have to be distracted and focus on the task at hand. How do you feel about that as a model for companies?

Yeah. It's interesting. I was just like, even Anthropic has a labs team, like the most cutting edge company. They're, you know, just like at the frontier already. They're like, okay, but we also need a labs team to actually watch the frontier frontier.

Yeah, that's right. Well, one thing we joke about too, inside as labs has grown now, and we've had a few projects, thankfully, have kind of hit and are, you know, lots of users now and growing. We've actually internally to this point of like common language, what we started to find was a bigger…

Say someone listening is convinced they should set up a frontier team, a labs team. And it feels like labs teams have evolved a little bit. And it used to be like build the next big business unit is like the idea here. It's like, okay, what's like a new technology that is unlocking something or a…