“Alex Honnold, the climber, he's not afraid of falling as much as other humans. So for me, this is not so much courage. But he's very afraid, at the beginning, of speaking in public. But he does it anyways. So this is courage. … Him speaking in front of a thousand people when he's so scared of this and not of dying from a fall. That's courage.”

…word in English, temerario. It's like when somebody is not afraid. I don't know, for example, Alex Honold, the climber, he's not afraid of falling as much as other humans. So for me, this is not so much courage. But he's very afraid, not now anymore, but at the beginning, of speaking in public. But he does it anyways, no? So this is courage. Not the known rope climbing. But for me, this is like him speaking in front of a thousand people when he's so scared of this and not of dying from a fall. That's courage. And I think that sometimes we're like, no, I'm going to do it anyways. And I'm afraid. But curiosity makes you be courageous, brave. Because if you change your mindset of like, what happens if I fail or if it doesn't work, change it for what's going to happen if I go this way? You know, that changes everything. It's not about the outcome again. It's about what I'm going to find out, what I'm…