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Dwarkesh Podcast · AI Research & Frontier Labs · October 2026
Sheppard was asked why a society organized around war fought the conquistadors so badly, repeatedly trying to capture Cortés alive instead of killing him. He points out that Europeans also preferred live captives, for ransom rather than sacrifice, and that of the two habits the Aztec one was arguably the more rational.
thing that's remarkable here is just how bad their strategy and tactics often were.
…basically like the Sparta of the New World, right? So how do we understand how a very military focused culture did not have the strategic wherewithal to do this improvisation that Cortez was doing improvisation, Pizarro was doing a bunch of improvisation? Why weren't they able to do the same thing?
…the Chichimek were a wilder tribe to the north and fought more fiercely than the Totonaks did. To a degree, there's a certain overlap with European cultures. There was great advantage throughout the feudal era in taking your enemies alive as opposed to killing them, because then you could ransom them back to their families and you can come out of that ahead in terms of at least financial gain. In a way, the Aztec model makes more sense because sacrificing your enemy means you'll never see him again, whereas selling your enemy back to his family means he's up for round two and you might face off against the same guy across a future battlefield. Even kings, the kings of France after the battles of Poitiers and Pavia were captured and then subject to various indignities. So to a degree, there was a certain level of overlap. But more holistically, you're right. Yes, the Aztecs did fight ideally to capture, not to kill. And there were multiple episodes when they did have Cortez himself under their knives, but were so desperate to haul him…
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically, it was not enough time to accumulate the strategy. Again,
it's that shockingly short, steep learning curve. It just wasn't enough time.
Yeah. So in retrospect, you have these outrageous battles with thousands of deaths on one side and zero deaths on the other side. But my understanding is this came as a surprise to the conquistadors as well. And so how were some hundred-odd men willing to go confront an empire of 10 million people…