Dwarkesh Podcast · AI Research & Frontier Labs · October 2026
Sheppard was asked why a society organized around war fought the conquistadors so badly, repeatedly trying to capture Cortés alive instead of killing him. He points out that Europeans also preferred live captives, for ransom rather than sacrifice, and that of the two habits the Aztec one was arguably the more rational.
thing that's remarkable here is just how bad their strategy and tactics often were.
For example, because Aztec military conflict was based around capturing victims for sacrifice, there are many cases where Cortez himself was laying on the ground and been knocked off his horse, but instead of just killing him on the ground and guarding their advantage, the Aztecs were trying to seize him to go have some sacrifice fighter. And this allowed him to get himself out of the thorny situations. Another huge mistake that would happen in these conflicts is that in the traditional way in which this military conflicts would happen, is that the general would be garnished and aplumbed with all this extra decorations, basically, which would make him easy to identify in a battlefield. And if you have cavalry that can just see, here's where the general is, let's go get, go directly to him, kill him. The whole enemy force will rout. It just makes your entire chain of command. You might have 100,000 troops, but then your general dies and everybody else routes. Another example, the Battle of Cusco. A couple hundred Spaniards defending against this huge rebellion. If the rebellion had just kept attacking at night, instead of only attacking your noon day, the Spaniards would have never gotten a chance to rest and would have just been depleted pretty quickly. But instead, they would let them rest at night, wouldn't use their overwhelming numbers to do rotations that would attack at different times. Now, why I find this confusing is that it's not like the conquistadors arrived at the doorsteps of a bunch of peace-loving hippies who didn't know anything about war. Aztec society, eco-society was organized around warfare. All adult males were trained to be warriors. It was basically like the Sparta of the New World, right? So how do we understand how a very military focused culture did not have the strategic wherewithal to do this improvisation that Cortez was doing improvisation, Pizarro was doing a bunch of improvisation? Why weren't they able to do the same thing?
Yeah, there are a lot of factors, one of which is that cultural, the religious aspect to it. The warfare was rewarded by increase in status. The warriors would be recognized for bringing captives back to Tinochtitland for sacrifice. There was even like a hierarchy in terms of the prisoners, like that four Totonaks were worth one Chichimek because the Chichimek were a wilder tribe to the north and fought more fiercely than the Totonaks did. To a degree, there's a certain overlap with European cultures. There was great advantage throughout the feudal era in taking your enemies alive as opposed to killing them, because then you could ransom them back to their families and you can come out of that ahead in terms of at least financial gain. In a way, the Aztec model makes more sense because sacrificing your enemy means you'll never see him again, whereas selling your enemy back to his family means he's up for round two and you might face off against the same guy across a future battlefield. Even kings, the kings of France after the battles of Poitiers and Pavia were captured and then subject to various indignities. So to a degree, there was a certain level of overlap. But more holistically, you're right. Yes, the Aztecs did fight ideally to capture, not to kill. And there were multiple episodes when they did have Cortez himself under their knives, but were so desperate to haul him off. His compatriots, sometimes sacrificing themselves, were able to rescue him. So that was an aspect of their warfare ingrained in their culture, in their faith, in the religious expression of the values of an entire people. Difficult to tilt that within the framework that we're talking about. I'd be asking people here, if we're fighting aliens from another planet, to give up Christianity because there's too much invested in terms of its morality and more effective combat skills will be derived from following some other faith. It was not possible to reorient an entire society in that limited timeframe to do that. The Cuzco situation, we could, to use a famous film example, the movie 300. The Spartans are able to hold the pass of Thomalpalai because against overwhelming numbers, it's very, very narrow. And within Cuzco, the surviving conquistadors fell back to two heavily fortified buildings with narrow entrances. And the streets of Cuzco are quite narrow as well, which means that even those overwhelming numbers could only be channeled down through those narrow avenues. And those could be blocked relatively effectively, even by the small numbers of conquistadors and their increasing numbers of native allies, able to put in place with their metal armor blocking operations that could hold those kind of frameworks. Beyond that, when the pressure came off, then they would unleash their horses, largely through the wider plazas and then the surrounding countryside, looking for isolated detachments to take out. And this effect was demoralizing on the Inca. They initially had the advantage. They were rallied by Manco. We're going to deal with these barbarians once and for all. But as the frustration of the siege drags on, there's more and more defections, men slipping away at night, either to switch sides or just go back to their homes and families. Again, this army is huge, very diverse. And many of those recruits are people who've been subjugated and have no institutional loyalty to the Inca. The bottom line is they need to get home to their farms to get the harvest before the winter. The nature of warfare in the pre-Columbian America and Europe for much of its history was driven by the annual cycle of planting and harvesting the crops. You need the men on their farms to do that because if they're not there, then you face a very hard year coming up if you don't have enough crops set aside to get you through the winter and the following year. So for all those reasons, the Inca, yes, with those huge numbers, weren't able to really overwhelmingly apply them at the same time. If they caught perhaps the entire conquistador army marching through one of those mountain passes, yes, they may have been able to win a set-piece battle in that environment. The horses can't charge up the steep slopes. Both ends, if they're blocked cleverly with boulders and with trees, mean the infantry is not going anywhere either. You have them essentially pinned down. All the advantages would have been useless at that point. Metal armor won't protect you from a two-ton boulder rumbling from the heights right into your face. If they've been able to arrange that, on small scales, they were, but to get the entire conquistadors in one place at one time like that, that never happened.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically, it was not enough time to accumulate the strategy. Again,
it's that shockingly short, steep learning curve. It just wasn't enough time.
Yeah. So in retrospect, you have these outrageous battles with thousands of deaths on one side and zero deaths on the other side. But my understanding is this came as a surprise to the conquistadors as well. And so how were some hundred-odd men willing to go confront an empire of 10 million people and say, your job is to take this over? You know, it would be sort of like dropping 100 Marines into like 18th century England and being like, okay, you better come out the other end with control over parliament. How is this a thing that they were willing to do?