“AI factories, these large data centers, you have to treat them like factories. They're not data centers, like some little thing that in the past a startup used to build. These are massive installations, and we should treat them as true industrial sites. … The way data centers are designed and built today is more on a one-off basis still. The more you standardize that, and the more you're able to do process simulation within these large AI factories, that saves you energy, that allows you to sell that energy back to the community.”

…of people behind that with that simple message that is maybe less focused on just sustainability or just the ease of oil and gas as a generation provider, but more that if you have more options, you're better off in a world where you don't know what's going to come next. That's what I would say.

…Many countries around the world are very much exacerbated by the consequences of the conflict in many places. So what can be done about that, do you think? I mean, do you have solutions or ideas on addressing this kind of issue of rising demand and affordability and how they can be reconciled?

Yeah, I think that's very interesting. And I think that makes a lot of sense. And certainly, as you say, there's an enormous amount of interest in this idea that data centers can be an asset to the grid, not just a liability. I do think, though, a lot of that depends on a word you just used, which…

So I think the answer is emerging. And I think the answer is you can have the five nines, right? But you can still get visibility into the data center's operations itself. So in other words, what are the computing workloads? When do they happen? How is that linked to the cooling systems? How is…

I was about to ask that. So do you think it's the case then that for practical purposes, all large data centers are going to have to be flexible in the future?