“Even if you think the economy should be smaller or whatever, even if you think our primary goal should be reducing emissions immediately, there's no way to do any of those things without building replacements for existing fossil fuel infrastructure. Even if that's all you want to do, you need to build like a MOFO.”

it's sort of a note here, I mean, climate change is almost certainly not going to meet the bar of specific urgent proximate harm. I wouldn't think so. So like a Keystone style or Arctic refuge style reversal of permits is going to be off the table.

…four years and tend to turn over after four years. And we haven't had a two-term president in a while now. Like, I think that we mostly end up building nothing under the current regime. And here's an asymmetry, right? That favors the status quo. The incumbent system today is predominantly fossil.

100%. There's a massive asymmetry here. And like the people who are most wanting change should all Else Equal be the people who are most eager to see, you know, laws go into effect that speed up the rate of change. And you have to have a plausible theory of the case behind that for why changing…

This is just still on 1401 on the permanent certainty. It still allows permit revocation based on national security grounds, which is, of course, like what Trump has been saying. And those national security grounds, I think the Trump administration has demonstrated pretty clearly, are just…

I think what Trump has discovered is actually that you can't do anything under those justifications because the courts on those ones have been very quick to say, I think in one case, they actually used the word pretextual. They said something like, this is pretty plainly pretextual. We're turning…