“Authorities all around the world have been telling people for years, don't buy cocaine because it's immoral. You're funding human trafficking and misery and exploitation. I wonder at what point people are going to say, and I'm half joking, but only half joking, don't invest in crypto because you're buying ICBMs for Kim Jong-un.”

…the North Korean do this? Why do they specialize in it? Why do they train people to look at the most vulnerable points in the crypto infrastructure? Why do they exercise all that strategic patience? Because they want to buy ICBMs and they want to pay for nukes. So this really, really matters. This

…see more attempts at that sort of theft, but it petered out because it's just too hard. Too much of the money is recoverable. And, you know, too many changes were made to the actual Swift network itself to make that sort of stuff unworkable. But in crypto, it just doesn't seem to be getting better.

not like the North Korean government gives a crap if some of these guys get vanned when they're on, you know, when they're in Malaysia or something.

Well, exactly. And what are you going to do to the regime? Are you going to sanction them a bit more because it's pretty tight? It's pretty tight already. So I think you're going to have to look at improving crypto security, but there's no sign of that.

No, there isn't. And I mean, once the money's gone, it's gone. Sort of like old school Mac computers where people would actually throw stuff into the bin and hit delete and then go, oh, hang on, I want to undelete that. You can't. You can't. It's gone. Irreversible.