“The metaphor I've been using is we are entering a dark age, right? Things are going to get more bleak. And our responsibility, those of us who work in cybersecurity, and especially those of us who work at the AI companies, is to help shorten that dark age. … If you're looking at your code base and you scan it and you've got 10,000 bugs, then probably now we're at the point where rewriting it is actually cheaper.”

…but it can't feel like an ad. It needs subtitles, except when it doesn't. It needs to run at two times speed and deliver a complex message. Simply, of course, within 9x16. Thankfully, your company has Canva, so you can easily edit your video and every version of it. What will you Canva today?

…that has zero marginal costs. Like someone has to do it, even if the attackers are so infinite that their marginal cost is effectively zero. So are we going to go through a period where everything is so much worse and then it's perfect forever? Or how does the cost manage itself into balance?

This is why I started by talking about how the economics of cyber led to the culture of cyber. I mean, this is like the most decoder way of approaching this conversation, I know, but there, you know, when you describe the research teams at the NSA and then the operational teams, that is a word…

I think Sundar Panchai and Andy Chassi are. I think they literally have each other's cell phone numbers. If one of them, maybe they don't listen to Decoder, but I expect one of their direct reports does. And I would like one of them to talk, go into their one-on-one and say, sir, I listened to the…

I'm just saying, I know Jason's listening. So if you heard it, I'm not even going to say that. It's not just the Linux kernel. But I'm saying,