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JH Jason Hiner Jason Hiner On Intelligent Machines (Audio)

“Here's what this gets to, the ultimate question I think around this IPO and the whole future of the AI trade and the AI industry: models are commoditizing. Chinese models, there are more U.S. open source models that are going to be launching over the next year. The models leapfrog each other all the time. The value of having the latest and the best and the most powerful frontier model, I think is likely going to start to evaporate even in the next 12 months. What Anthropic is betting on, I think, is building a brand that says we are the safe AI. We are the good guys.”

Intelligent Machines (Audio) · Tech Strategy & Big Tech · October 2026

“Here's what this gets to, the ultimate question I think around this IPO and the whole future of the AI trade and the AI industry: models are commoditizing. Chinese models, there are more U.S. open source models that are going to be launching over the next year. The models leapfrog each other all the time. The value of having the latest and the best and the most powerful frontier model, I think is likely going to start to evaporate even in the next 12 months. What Anthropic is betting on, I think, is building a brand that says we are the safe AI. We are the good guys.” — Jason Hiner, Intelligent Machines (Audio)

Context

Jeff Jarvis half-seriously asked whether the panel would put a billion dollars of a pension fund into Anthropic. Hiner answers that the company's real bet is trust, not having the strongest model.

Transcript

Intelligent Machines (Audio) Around 31:12 into the episode
Jeff Jarvis

there's a for those of you on audio there's a panicked look in paris

Paris Martineau

more panic in my body than i thought was possible from this hypothetic yeah

Jason Hiner

here here's what this gets to the ultimate question i think around this this ipo and around this whole the whole future of of the ai trade and the ai industry models are commoditizing as jeff you know you um are to Really, really well. Chinese models, there are more U.S. open source models that are going to be launching over the next year. Like you said, the models leapfrog. We'll talk about Google Carbon in a second, you know, too. The models leapfrog each other all the time. The value of having the latest and the best and the most powerful frontier model, I think is likely going to start to evaporate even in the next 12 months. What Anthropic is betting on, I think, and the S1 says this a little bit, but even more so, I think their actions over the past year is Anthropic is betting on building a brand that says we are the safe AI. We are the good guys. We're the ones who are going to do that. We define safety,

Jeff Jarvis

though, very weirdly about whether we can make humanity. We are the safe AI.

Paris Martineau

We kill only up to 49 people. We only cause up to a billion dollars in damages. We have

Jeff Jarvis

a license to kill 49.

Speaker names come from our own diarization. The position is estimated from where the line sits in the episode.

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