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“Open source in America would not exist without Jensen. Both Reflection and Thinking Machines are pushing the open source frontier in America, and both of them have massive investments in backing from NVIDIA… And if we're slamming the hammer down now on China way harder because the biggest defender against restrictions was Jensen and his team… there's going to be a lot more restrictions… I think the biggest loser is the open source ecosystem for sure.”

TBPN · Startups & Venture · November 2026

“Open source in America would not exist without Jensen. Both Reflection and Thinking Machines are pushing the open source frontier in America, and both of them have massive investments in backing from NVIDIA… And if we're slamming the hammer down now on China way harder because the biggest defender against restrictions was Jensen and his team… there's going to be a lot more restrictions… I think the biggest loser is the open source ecosystem for sure.” — Dylan Patel, TBPN

Context

Asked what happens to Nvidia's AI investing now that deals may go through a committee, Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis says American open-source labs and many app companies depend on Nvidia's backing and on Chinese open models. Tighter China restrictions after Jensen Huang's fall could hit both.

Transcript

TBPN Around 13:18 into the episode
John Coogan

now it seems like

Jordi Hays

those investments, when it comes time to actually sign the docs, will probably be going to committee.

Dylan Patel

…in America. And both of them have massive investments in backing from NVIDIA, as do many other companies across the ecosystem. And all these application companies rely on open models, right? Whether it's the Harvey's, the Instincts, the Sierra's, they all use open models. All the inference providers, which are multiple of the $10 plus billion dollar companies, all rely on open models from China. And if we're slamming the hammer down now on China way harder because the biggest defender against restrictions was Jensen and his team, what now happens is given their credibility is out the window and they're being investigated and subpoenaed and whatever is going on on that side, then there's going to be a lot more restrictions, in which case Chinese models are, you know, do they continue to progress at this current pace? And if they do continue to progress, do they open source everything? These are real questions out there.…

John Coogan

How do you think about the technical role of the CEO position at NVIDIA? You know, you see Jensen, you hear about the deal making, you see him at events and on podcasts and news hits. I think if there's some deeply technical work that's happening, that's behind the scenes. How real is that? Is he…

Dylan Patel

No doubt inspiring people and bringing them in. He's not designing the architecture, but when there's a decision, I think the common thing that everyone sort of who's following NVIDIA ends up seeing is that you hear real valid things about option A, B, and C. And NVIDIA could be doing all three at…

John Coogan

mode thing. And if

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