“There's just this striking, deep, bipartisan backlash against AI data centers and the rapid build out of this infrastructure that is provoking alarm in conservative regions, the deep south, as well as liberal areas. … It's driven not as much by concerns about the climate, but the impacts on power bills, the impacts on water supplies, noise concerns, what this will do to tax revenue and jobs in the area. … If you block a data center in one community, you might push the development somewhere else to a dirtier electric grid.”

…ban gas infrastructure and new construction. And then Oregon voters approved a new tax on large corporations with the revenue directed to climate-related projects. So, you know, you just saw, you see a lot of shifts at the state level that are impactful on top of what's happening in Washington.

And you mentioned AI here. Now, that seems to have been one place where there was clear bipartisan support on trying to slow down the build out of data centers or in some cases, outright reject them. Why did that happen? And is that a good thing for climate?

So now coming to COP31, where you and I are, what is it going to do to climate diplomacy conversation that's going to happen here in Antalya? Because it's not like the U.S. is part of it anymore, officially, because there is no membership of the Paris Agreement or soon the UN climate body itself.…

The world has grown pretty used to the vagaries of the U.S. on climate diplomacy, on climate action. And President Trump has just accelerated that trend, obviously, in a very huge way with the pullout from the Paris Agreement, the extrication from the underlying framework accord. But what's…

Well, we'll talk a lot more about COP31 in the days ahead on the pod, but of course, folks should follow our coverage, your coverage on bloomboat.com forward slash green. Now, this is a jokey question, but kind of serious question, which is: well, 2028 is only two years away now. Do you think this…