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ŽA Žiga Avsec On Google DeepMind: The Podcast

“I think we're going to have AGI before we have a virtual cell.”

Google DeepMind: The Podcast · AI Research & Frontier Labs · November 2026

“I think we're going to have AGI before we have a virtual cell.” — Žiga Avsec, Google DeepMind: The Podcast

Context

Hannah Fry asked how many years it might take to reach a virtual cell, a model that can simulate how a cell responds to genetic changes or drugs. The AlphaGenome researcher's answer is a striking measure of how hard biology still is, even compared with general AI.

Transcript

Google DeepMind: The Podcast Around 39:03 into the episode
Hannah Fry

that was going to be my next question. Many, many.

Speaker 4

It could be many years, but

Speaker 3

I think we're going to have AGI before we have a virtual cell. Right.

Hannah Fry

That's my prediction. I think you're probably right. Intelligence is less hard than biology. It seems like, yeah. Amazing. Thank you both so much. That was so interesting. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Yeah. I really liked what they said about biology being humbling because it's hard. The goal…

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