“I have a lot of beef to pick with all the AI-branded layoffs out there because they're bullshit. Like, they're not about AI. Like, they are about badly run companies flapping an AI label and getting some share points from that versus saying, whoops, we hired too many people.”

Yeah. I mean, I want to get to the fear side of this and the fear narrative as well, because I think that's one of the things that is really different in this stage and this sort of phase. Because it's really hard to tell people like lean into change when they're like, but wait, like, what's on the other side? Like, you're telling me to let go of my Legos. You're telling me to make myself irrelevant. Like, fuck you. You know what I mean? Like, I don't believe there's a job on the other side. And I think that fear narrative, like, I am sure some of it is real, but some of it is really overblown. And it's, and it's creating like a pretty toxic environment for people where it's so hard to lean into this change with joy or excitement or any sense of opportunity. I always say, like, the narrative right now is literally like, okay, we hired this new employee. This new employee is the smartest employee that you have ever met. This employee is like 10 times smarter than you. And I want you to pour every single thing that you know into this employee. And then they're going to take your job in six months. Like, who the fuck wants to do that? Do you know what I mean? No one wants to do that. Like, that is not a good narrative for anyone. By the way, it's also not reality. Like, as of right now, like, there is not a lot of data, although you may have more than I do, that says that AI is genuinely taking jobs away. And I have a lot of beef to pick with all the AI-branded layoffs out there because they're bullshit. Like, they're not about AI. Like, they are about badly run companies flapping an AI label and getting some share points from that versus saying, whoops, we made, we hired too many people. And they're propagating this fear narrative that is like, all these jobs are, your job is going away, right? There is no job on the other side. One of the best, so I took over this podcast, which you know called Work Life, and it's let me have all these really fun conversations with people. And one of the best conversations I had was with this journalist named Manush Somaroti. And she has been a journalist for 30 years. You want to talk about an industry that people have been predicting the death of for 30 years, right? Journalism. And Manoosh has done everything. Like she started the BBC and she was super early in audio and she did this like crazy crypto audio podcast. And she's also like, she's the host of TED Radio Hour. So Manoosh over 30 years has built a very successful career in an industry that is being constantly disrupted. And from talking to her, I basically walked away with this really interesting question that is totally different than what would you do if you believed your job was going to disappear. It was, what would you do if you believed your job was always going to exist? It was just going to look completely different every six years. And I just kind of wish that was the conversation we were having about all the jobs in tech and honestly, all the jobs that are theoretically going to get taken by AI, which is like the form is definitely going to change. But until we have real evidence, what if we believe that they're not going away? They're just going to reinvent themselves.