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MG Mitch Glazier On Decoder with Nilay Patel

“I don't know if you've read the SEC document that Anthropic just had to file in order to have their IPO, but in the risk section, it's basically like, well, it could be that all this scraping that we've been doing actually violated all these laws. And that could, you know, if it's willful, put us in a liability deficit of X. And shareholders who are investing as new shareholders should sort of know that information.”

Decoder with Nilay Patel · Tech Strategy & Big Tech · November 2026

“I don't know if you've read the SEC document that Anthropic just had to file in order to have their IPO, but in the risk section, it's basically like, well, it could be that all this scraping that we've been doing actually violated all these laws. And that could, you know, if it's willful, put us in a liability deficit of X. And shareholders who are investing as new shareholders should sort of know that information.” — Mitch Glazier, Decoder with Nilay Patel

Context

RIAA chief Mitch Glazier was explaining why the music industry is pursuing a precedent-setting case that training on music isn't fair use. This is his own characterization of Anthropic's IPO risk disclosure, not a quote from the filing.

Transcript

Decoder with Nilay Patel Around 46:22 into the episode
Mitch Glazier

So there's the legal side and the business side. On the legal side, obviously we're bringing this case as a precedent-setting case to show that it is not fair use to train on music. Whatever exemption you want to think of, it's

Nilay Patel

…What did we play in like the war in Panama? We played Metallica then at full volume. Right, right. Right. Maybe, maybe it'll be used for like, you know, for soft power or, you know, propaganda. It'll blast down this. But Clash was very upset when Rock McCasma was a soundtrack. I'm sure I know.

Mitch Glazier

Going back to securing the rights, we're bringing this case to make sure that the rights are secured. So then every company knows that you are not allowed to make reproductions of other people's music without consent or compensation. That's basically what we're trying to establish. And then once you secure the right, you let the marketplace develop from there. And I'm sure that the good people at Google and other companies understand the risks. It's fascinating. Neely, I don't know if you've read the SEC document that Anthropic just had to file in order to have their IPO, but in the risk section, it's basically like, well, it could be that all this scraping that we've been doing actually violated all these laws. And that could, you know, if it's willful, put us in a liability, you know, deficit of X. And sharehold people who are investing as new shareholders should sort of know that information. So they kind of acknowledge up front,

Nilay Patel

like this could be a big cost of doing business going forward. And yet, they're going to have a spectacular IPO, right?

Mitch Glazier

Despite those risks, which means that they're willing to bear them and they're also willing to accept the cost if and when that comes and it is secured.

Nilay Patel

Actually, I have a different view on that. And it's related to the beginning of our conversation, right? You, you said it was, I think you gave a quote to the Los Angeles Times where you said being the RIA is more fun now because the consumers are on your side fighting the AI giants instead of you…

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