“Would I use that as defense against a distributed denial of service attack? No, because then your distributed denial of service attack becomes a distributed denial of cash attack.”

a great example of where sometimes mitigations work and sometimes they don't. So an example of something like your product is successful, if you're a startup or whatever, and you suddenly got successful, that success comes like a wave, right? The wave of success hits you and then a lot of it recedes. You'll get a thousand customers in and maybe you'll keep a hundred, maybe, right? That's just how things work. So you need to be up during the peak, but then you probably can shrink down again to keep the costs low. So if you've built your application to have some dynamic scalability in it, and if you're on the public cloud or similar place where you can spin up and spin down, that's a viable mechanism, right? Okay, we can scale up to handle this and that's fine. Would I use that as defense against a distributed denial of service attack? No, because then your distributed denial of service attack becomes a distributed denial of cash attack, right? You go from to no Only having no service, but also now no money because you hit spinning up, you know, nodes on your Kubernetes cluster and Amazon just keep taking the money. It's great.