“Each engineer or each product person you're adding that could have made an extra 100K, 200K per year at a Mag 7 could be seen as like a mini round. And in aggregate, that's actually a very strong signal in terms of conviction for the company.”

And this is a reason why if you look at Neurops, right? I think from 15 years ago, it was like a small niche little academic research conference for 200, 300 people. Now it's you're talking about 20, 30,000 people, right? And VCs are constantly there on the conference floor trying to source and identify the next deal. But that doesn't really matter at all for consumer companies, right? Where you might have a very strong pedigree founder and team, but you don't have traction, right? And traction in that case is actually super important. So it really depends, right? And it's not just the founders. It's also who you're able to attract after you start the company. So your founding team, the people you're able to pull away from the Mag 7, how you're getting these additive people. Because one way that I like looking at it is similar to a venture round, right? Each engineer or each product person you're adding that could have made an extra 100K, 200K per year at a Mag 7 could be seen as like a mini round, right? And in aggregate…