“If you say you're worried what you're making is going to kill everybody, like everybody, and you're serious, there's no excuse to keep doing it in my mind. I don't care if, well, if we don't, then they'll do it. Okay. So just stop. Stop and go fly to the other companies doing it and spend all your time convincing them to stop, you know, if you're serious. I think that's a cop out.”

…goal is to not be sued if you want to be successful and continue gaining power and wealth. Even I know that. Like, so that really struck me that how open and upfront they were about that kind of stuff about how dangerous it potentially was. And made me think maybe they are like sincerely scared.

Yeah.

He's great.

Yeah, he's awesome. And he was calling it Moloch, which I'd never heard that word. I guess. I was like, you can call it whatever you want. I mean, it's greed. It's pretty, it's an old, simple word. It's greed. If you say you're worried what you're making is going to kill everybody, like everybody…

It's like there's no such thing as leadership in this world. Like, right. Like, you know, be the example, be model the behavior you want to see and maybe you'll change the world. Like, how hard is this? That's it. That's what's always worked. Like this helplessness. I can't stop myself from this…