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“It made the world feel simpler than it was, even though I think in real life, a Nazi bar does become a Nazi bar. But the other thing that that idea missed is that there's lots of other groups that aren't Nazis that once they get in the bar, it's their bar. Like, if you're like, we have a fun pony show and some guys like to like watch it erotically, it's their bar.”

Panic World · October 2026

“It made the world feel simpler than it was, even though I think in real life, a Nazi bar does become a Nazi bar. But the other thing that that idea missed is that there's lots of other groups that aren't Nazis that once they get in the bar, it's their bar. Like, if you're like, we have a fun pony show and some guys like to like watch it erotically, it's their bar.” — PJ Vogt, Panic World

Discussing how the makers of My Little Pony lost control of their adult fan base, PJ Vogt revisits the 2010s platform cliché that a bar becomes a Nazi bar once Nazis are let in. His point is that any group a community lets in can end up owning it.

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Panic World Around 47:39 into the episode
Speaker 4

You like the Nazis in the bar. Makes

Speaker 3

them a pet better. Well,

Speaker 1

it was like, who's a Nazi? And like, sometimes the platforms actually, like, if there's some racist on Substack, it doesn't mean there can't be some other person on Substack. Like, it was more true in some places than other places. And it imagined a world where we all knew what a Nazi was, but like, the Nazis don't identify as Nazis. Everybody calls everybody else a Nazi. It was just, it wasn't, it made the world feel simpler than it was, even though I think in real life, a Nazi bar does become a Nazi bar. But the other thing that that idea missed is that there's lots of other groups that aren't Nazis that once they get in the bar, it's their bar. Like, if you're like, we have a fun pony show and some guys like to like watch it erotically, it's their bar. Like, once

Speaker 4

kids are going to that

Speaker 1

bar. Yeah. That can't just be cornered off.

Speaker 4

And I, I look at My Little Pony. You know, Grant said, like, I don't know who to blame. I don't know who's culpable here. Coppable, if you will. And my read on it is that it's almost entirely naivety and then maybe greed by the end. It's like we genuinely do not understand what we have done here.…

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