“I think people are trying to over-optimize out of just having conversations with people. I've already seen that happen in my generation. If I'm ordering takeout, it feels weird to call a place. … There's just going to be more of these things where basic human interaction gets more and more optimized out of actually occurring. And call me old school, but I think that humans being able to talk to each other is probably a net positive for society.”

…they kind of feel there, you know, there's a tremendous financial incentive for them to make the case that you should use this technology in every aspect of your lives. But when you make that case, it actually paints not always a very appealing picture. In some cases, it's downright dystopian.

…relate to like everyone else out there in the world. And so it can just seem so incredibly disconnected when you see these quotes for everyone else. So it just, to me, it always comes back to like, who are they speaking to? Yeah. Are there people out there who can relate? Maybe, maybe there are.

Yeah, but what's the ROI, Amanda? You know, how much, how much revenue can you generate off of a conversation that somebody's having in meeting?

That is the thing, though, is that it's like dating is really inefficient. Like it sucks that you have to go on a bunch of gates with different people. You might waste an evening and be like, well, that was a bust. And so you can see why people are like, well, what if you didn't have to go on…

So one thing that I think is like worth sort of going back to, and I sort of hinted about this earlier, which is like, who are they talking to? Who is their, who is their audience? Like for all these like optimizations, you know, in your view, Amanda, it's, it sounds like I might know the answer to…