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“I'm sure you guys have too fielded a lot of questions about what is the difference between this strategy of Musk's and what Elizabeth Holmes went to jail for. And I honestly don't have a good answer to that.”

On with Kara Swisher · Tech Strategy & Big Tech · October 2026

“I'm sure you guys have too fielded a lot of questions about what is the difference between this strategy of Musk's and what Elizabeth Holmes went to jail for. And I honestly don't have a good answer to that.” — Kirsten Grind, On with Kara Swisher

Context

Grind, a reporter who has tallied hundreds of Elon Musk's public goals and how few came true, responds to Kara Swisher noting that Holmes went to prison over her promises and Musk never will. The panel was discussing how Musk's unmet promises are built into his companies' valuations.

Transcript

On with Kara Swisher Around 31:50 into the episode
Catherine Rampell

But I think it's partly out of self-interest, but I think it's partly that he just believes it.

Kara Swisher

…be the best-selling phone of all time. Like he would make things on his promises, even if he was speculating, which is fine. Speculation is fine. But, you know, one of the most popular movies in the country right now, she goes to jail for it. And he does not. He does not and never will, probably.

Kirsten Grind

Well, I was just going to say that because I definitely, I'm sure you guys have too fielded a lot of questions about what is the difference between this strategy of Musk's and what Elizabeth Holmes went to jail for. And I honestly don't have a good answer to that.

Kara Swisher

Well, she pissed off powerful men that like him because they're getting money elsewhere. She didn't have another thing to give them, like a SpaceX or something else. That's why. I mean, it's the same guy, Larry Ellison, right? It's a similar group of investors who are backing Elizabeth. And it's…

Faiz Siddiqui

He's not on the campaign trail. And, you know, I think there's just been this sort of recent streak of like weird self-awareness from him. And I'm sure you all can weigh in on whether that's actually the case. But it's, it's like, I think he at least realizes that, you know, messaging directly from…

Kara Swisher

with you. I would agree. Yeah,

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