“Certainly what we're doing right now is not working. I think it's total malpractice to write anything in C and C++. Any company that is shipping code that is written in C in 2027 is, from my perspective, just completely inappropriate.”

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…code. Do we just end up, if we do that, in the same situation later when more powerful AI models find these new vulnerabilities or that the code is, you know, allows for these like superhuman style bugs that we, you know, we are incapable of kind of comprehending? Is that a possible scenario?

And for the people listening who aren't as familiar, the reason for that is just because it's an old, outdated language. And you don't want to have your systems be running off diag. It's easier to exploit all that, right?

Right, because the language C and C, these are languages from the 1980s, 70s, actually, and 1980s. And in fact, in the original book for the C programming language, which I was taught at Berkeley out of this book, in the original printing, there was a security flaw in the book that was written by…

that. So let's talk about that. You obviously mentioned like power grid systems, some of this very foundational infrastructure running off of some of this old stuff. We need to do something about it. You also said early on that people are overwhelmed, right? That there's so much happening. Do we…