“The vibe coding phenomenon means that we're creating all kinds of applications. I genuinely expect that in a couple of years we'll be at 300 to 1: 300 application identities for every human identity. And 200 of the 300 will be agentic-created.”

It's almost like it slipped under the wire that the ratio of non-human to human identities has been changing radically year over year. So I think we're at around 100 to 1 now. And if you think, you know, we were at about 10 to 1, if I recall, like six or seven years ago. So it's growing really,

…But agents kind of for good or for ill, well, let's not talk about agentic quite yet. Let's talk about LLM coding, right? LLM coding allows you to build yourself a custom tool to do the thing you want it to do in pretty near, you know, I would say not zero time, but very short amounts of time,

I mean, even that 100 to 1 numbers is hard for me to wrap my head around. Help me understand what counts as a non-human identity.

Well, I think you have a couple of flavors, right? We have for many, many years created applications, right? So let's just kind of use a simple automation that say that when I have a new person joining a department, they need to be provisioned with a set of files. And so I write a script or I write…

So given that reality, how should organizations be considering their risk?