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Sen. Amy Klobuchar on the This is Gavin Newsom podcast in May 2025, asked about bipartisanship after the Take It Down Act, which she co-sponsored with Sen. Ted Cruz, was signed into law.
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What's your sense is there was there incentives for good behavior? Have you gotten criticized for working on the other side?
I think, first of all, I've always believed in working with people you don't always agree with. That courage isn't just standing by yourself courages whether you're going to stand next to someone you don't always agree with for the betterment of this country. And I have done that in the Senate, working with everyone from Josh Holly on antitrust issues to Chuck Grassly on biofuels. I mean, you could just go on. And however, I do think the president of this incident aside where we were able to work on this bill with him when the rhetoric and the things that are said makes it harder to function and bipartisan because he will go after people if they don't do exactly what he wants, and it's all part of how he's doing this. So you know, in this case, I guess we got an exception. They like this bill, but I do think it makes it harder. And my goal in life is to do what best for the country, And as you know, sometimes you take grief when you work with people or take positions that not everyone agrees with. But I do think that we need more of that, not less of it when it comes to governing right now. So I'm glad the bill got passed into law. I continue to…
Love all that, and I want to touch on all those things. But let me go back just a little bit to the origin story on how you were able to sort of smooth this bill over. I love that you said it was that a lunch and it was just engaging on the personal where the first lady actually followed up took…
Reveal it all and your podcasts have to save some of it. But you know, it started out in the White House and I with everyone with the president at the time, President Biden and Vice President Harris, and then of course the Vances and the Trumps, the speaker of the House, Center Schumer, you name…
I love that. And look, you talk about this notion of co equal branches, the government, popular sovereignty, the rule of law, the best of Roman republic and Greek democracy and founding fathers vision being tested, the rule of law, this notion of the constitutional crisis that some have attached at…