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Steve Brusatte writes Science Friday . They have also been a guest on In Our Time (BBC) (5 times) , Particles of Thought (4 times) , NOVA Presents (4 times) , Discovery (2 times) , The Fossil Files (2 times) , Advisory Opinions , The Archaeologist's Notebook , IFLScience - The Big Questions , Humans On The Loop: Wisdom for an Age of Magical Technologies , Geology Bites , Paleo Nerds and The Chris Voss Show .

Recently: “Megalosaurus” on In Our Time (BBC) (November 2026); “What Actually Is A Fossil?” on IFLScience - The Big Questions (October 2026); “Prehistoric Penguins” on The Archaeologist's Notebook (October 2026); “Full Interview: T. rex to Birds” on Particles of Thought (July 2026); “Full Interview: T. rex to Birds” on NOVA Presents (July 2026); “Real World vs “Jurassic World"” on Particles of Thought (June 2026).

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“He loved eating animals. His all-time dream was to eat his way through the animal kingdom, and he would have these dinner parties where he'd serve mice on toast and porpoise and possum and penguin… He had a pet bear at his house, which he dressed in academic robes.” — Steve Brusatte, In Our Time (BBC)

Asked what William Buckland, who named Megalosaurus in 1824, was like, Steve Brusatte calls him the original nutty professor. He adds that Buckland was also a devout ordained minister.

In Our Time (BBC) · 2026-11-05 Permalink → Listen →
In Our Time (BBC) Around 02:26 into the episode
Steve Brusatte

…the ground as people were building canals, as people were mining rock, and these impossible monsters, these giant, weird reptilian creatures. This was like a thunderbolt. What were these things? What did they imply about the Earth and the age of the Earth and the position of people on this planet?

Misha Glenny

So I mentioned at the start this fellow, William Buckland. Can you tell us a bit about him? He sounds like quite a character.

Steve Brusatte

…and I'll return to that in a second. But if he was in this room, he'd be pacing up and down. In his robes, he'd have an animal skull in one hand, an ammonite in another hand. He'd be shoving these things into people's faces, asking his students what they are. He'd be impersonating animals the way they walk. He loved animals. He had a pet bear at his house, which he dressed in academic robes. He loved eating animals. His all-time dream was to eat his way through the animal kingdom, and he would have these dinner parties where he'd serve mice on toast and porpoise and possum and penguin. But at the same time, he was a very devoutly religious man. His father was a rector in the Anglican church. He was an ordained minister and he was a performer. He really was. He was a pretty well-known figure in the university and academic world. He corresponded with all the other learned men of the time. He knew Darwin. In fact, Darwin found him a little bit vulgar, a little bit too much of a…

Misha Glenny

Do the French know about this?

Steve Brusatte

Nobody tells them. I don't know.

Misha Glenny

Emma, he was obviously a very eccentric character, but he was also a respected scientist. Before he came up with the Megalosaurus, what had he been working on?

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“T-Rex is closer in time to us than it was to Megalosaurus. And I'll repeat that because I think this is one of these facts that it still blows my mind studying dinosaurs.” — Steve Brusatte, In Our Time (BBC)

Paleontologist Steve Brusatte is setting the scene of the Middle Jurassic, around 166 million years ago, when Megalosaurus lived. He stresses how much earlier it was than the dinosaurs most people know.

In Our Time (BBC) · 2026-11-05 Permalink → Listen →
In Our Time (BBC) Around 21:20 into the episode
Speaker 4

…those animals. And also earlier than that as well, we've got dinosaurs going back to probably around 200 million years. So if you think about that timeframe, there's a huge amount of time that's elapsed even since the origin of dinosaurs. And then between Megalosaurus and then things like T-Rex.

Misha Glenny

And that's extraordinary to contemplate the extent of that period. So we're right in the middle with the Megalosaurus, which is the Middle Jurassic. In the Middle Jurassic, as you said. Steve, can you describe to us what the world looked like in the Middle Jurassic period?

Steve Brusatte

The Middle Jurassic, as Emily said, is a long time ago. T-Rex is closer to us than it was to Megalosaurus. And I'll repeat that because I think this is one of these facts that it still blows my mind studying dinosaurs. T-Rex is closer in time to us than it was to Megalosaurus. So back in the Middle Jurassic, the supercontinent of Pangea, which had once existed, all of the land had been gathered together into this one giant slab that stretched from the North Pole to the South Pole. That supercontinent had begun to split apart about 200 million years ago, but it was just beginning to fracture. So the modern continents were beginning to take shape, and you had these very narrow oceans in between. And there was this sliver of an ocean that was the proto-Atlantic. And in that ocean was a series of islands, including some islands that now are parts of what would be Britain. You know, it was a different shaped island. It's not like modern Britain was the same…

Misha Glenny

Emma Nicholls wanted to ask you that what else have we got in the Middle Jurassic period apart from the Megalosaurus?

Speaker 4

Well, so in the Middle Jurassic of Oxfordshire, for example, where the type specimens are from and where we also have trackways of Megalosaurus as well, we know that we had other dinosaurs such as Eustreptospondylus, which is a dinosaur a lot like Megalosaurus, closely related, a little bit…

Misha Glenny

So Emily, Buckland, we mentioned earlier he referred to it as a four-legged lizard, I think. How much did Buckland get right about Megalosaurus? And what have we learnt about the beasts since?

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