Kevin Kelly

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Senior Maverick, Wired, a magazine I co-founded in 1993. Also author of many books, such as What Technology Wants, and orginatior of 1,000 True Fans. Photographer, artist, and radical optimist.

Where to Find Them

Kevin Kelly writes Recomendo , hosts and writes BBQ Interview Series - Kevin’s BBQ Joints , writes KK , writes a16z Podcast , writes Books That Belong On Paper , writes Beyond The Prompt - How to use AI in your company , writes The FASO Podcast , writes On Substack , writes The Michael Shermer Show , writes Love & Philosophy and writes The Smerconish Podcast . They have also been a guest on Freakonomics Radio (6 times) , EconTalk (5 times) , Rule Breaker Investing (4 times) , Humans On The Loop: Wisdom for an Age of Magical Technologies (3 times) , The Tim Ferriss Show (3 times) , At Work with The Ready (2 times) , The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk (2 times) , The Knowledge Project (Shane Parrish) (2 times) , AI & I (2 times) , Getting2Alpha (2 times) , Invest Like the Best (Patrick O'Shaughnessy) (2 times) , Love & Philosophy , Tropical MBA: Entrepreneurship & Founder Lifestyle , The AI XR Podcast. , Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer , NFX , Awkward Silences , TWiT Throwback (Video) , AWONDERJUNKIE , Founders , Beyond The Lens with Richard Bernabe , The Rich Roll Podcast and Big Technology .

Recently: “693. What’s Our Job as Humans Anymore?” on Freakonomics Radio (October 2026); “Credit-card-size e-reader / TV ads removal / The Invisible Encyclopedia” on Recomendo (October 2026); “692. What Will A.I. Do to (and for) Human Creativity?” on Freakonomics Radio (October 2026); “Most Improbable Agent of You” on KK (October 2026); “White noise alarm clock / Dopamine Shop / Inner sound journeys” on Recomendo (October 2026); “Swarm Intelligence” on KK (October 2026).

What They Said

Stephen Dubner asked whether people will ever want AI-generated creative work en masse, given how few AI works people return to so far. Kelly, a longtime technology writer and self-described optimist, answers with his view of what humans will still be for.

Freakonomics Radio · 2026-10-30 Permalink → Listen →
Freakonomics Radio Around 18:00 into the episode
Kevin Kelly

Very, very few. And one of the things I've noticed is I will watch an AI-generated this or that, and there's very few that are returned to.

Stephen Dubner

Why do you think there are so few so far? Is it that there are so few so far, or there will never be many AI-generated, let's call it creative works that humans want to consume en masse?

Kevin Kelly

I would be surprised if there was something created that touched a lot of people, and humans had very little to do with it. Everything that I know about humans so far suggests that one of the main jobs that humans will have in the future is being human. We like being around other humans. We like human sense of humor. I think AIs will be funny, but they will have an alien sense of humor. It'll be like Spock, right? It's like, yeah, I'm around you, but I much prefer being around Kirk. And so I think that will be our job is just to be human, to have small talk, to hold someone's hand, to be there, to make a joke, to be creative in the way that we're creative. And that's very appealing to us.

Stephen Dubner

Have you run across the AI-generated actress named Tilly Norwood?

Kevin Kelly

Yes.

Stephen Dubner

What do you think of her?

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