Brian Keating

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Cosmologist and Chancellor's Distinguished Professor of Physics at UC San Diego who studies the cosmic microwave background. Has led telescope projects including POLARBEAR2, the Simons Array and the Simons Observatory, and conceived the original BICEP instrument. Author of Losing the Nobel Prize and Into the Impossible, and a critic of the Nobel Prize's three-laureate limit. Hosts Into the Impossible, long-form interviews with Nobel laureates and other scientists since 2016. Has appeared on StarTalk Radio, Lex Fridman Podcast, Huberman Lab and PBS Space Time.

Where to Find Them

Brian Keating hosts and writes Into the Impossible With Brian Keating , writes StarTalk Radio and writes The Michael Shermer Show . They have also been a guest on Finding Peak w/ Ryan Hanley (2 times) , PBS Space Time (2 times) , The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss (2 times) , Lex Fridman Podcast , Deep Questions with Cal Newport , FQxI Podcast , 632nm , Astro Ben Podcast , Uncommon Knowledge , Huberman Lab , The Peter McCormack Show , Silicon Valley Astronomy Lectures and Moonshots with Peter Diamandis .

Recently: “Are We in a SIMULATION? | Brian Keating on the Arora Podcast” on Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (November 2026); “Jim Al-Khalili: Physicists Are Being Sloppy About Time” on Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (October 2026); “Max Tegmark: We’re Building A Replacement Species” on Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (October 2026); “Wharton AI Researcher: If AI Froze Today, It Would Still Rewrite Work” on Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (October 2026); “Are UFOs Alien Tech? Avi Loeb vs Michael Shermer” on Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (October 2026); “Adam Grant: Don't Trust Your Gut. Test It.” on Into the Impossible With Brian Keating (October 2026).

What They Said

Asked whether AI will one day understand reality better than humans, the cosmologist says language models are good at solving problems they're handed but unconvincing at new insight, and describes a test of whether a model could rediscover general relativity.

Into the Impossible With Brian Keating · 2026-11-01 Permalink → Listen →
Into the Impossible With Brian Keating Around 1:13:20 into the episode
Brian Keating

Yeah, he's the whole thing. Waking up, he's got an app, he's got courses. He's, you know, it's a huge part of his life. And so, you know, he and I can agree on that, even though we might disagree about the value of religion versus not religion.

Speaker 1

…machines actually surpass human beings in understanding reality better than we do? Like you were saying, lots of AI softwares, all these, they're doing research on cancer. And you think that there's a possibility that in a couple of years using AI, you know, cancer can be cured. Yes, sure. I think

Brian Keating

they're very good at doing things. These LMs plus GPUs are very good at solving problems that are told to them to solve is valuable. They're less convincing in terms of creating new breakthroughs, innovations on things that we haven't conceived or told them what to do. They're language followers. So you can talk to it. You can program it using English or any language, right? Anything that has a logical structure, even like babies can talk to it. They'll try to figure out what a baby or a dog. I mean, I've seen like crazy things, right? But it's not inventing new languages. My favorite example is like it beat chess in 1993. The last human being that will ever win in chess, you know, played IBM's version of this. It was a machine learning, but very similar to AI. And that was the last time humans will ever be able to win. But people still play chess. My kids play chess, right? You might play it or your listeners might play it. So it's still intriguing. Now, my example is then, yes, no human can ever, you know, beat, but will their computer ever invent an algorithmic, you know, kind of game with structure and rules that's in place for 4,000 years? I doubt it. Right. Or go. Will, you know, it can write like Shakespeare. Sort of, but, you know, can it ever do something as evocative or as like tender and connected to the human soul and spirit? No. I also don't…

Speaker 1

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Brian Keating

So I'm very worried, you know, but in some sense, I'm excited because it means that physicists will have a place in the future to actually do stuff.

Speaker 3

You do talk a lot about falsifiability. And I do want to ask, do you think modern physics is drifting into these ideas that are mathematically sound very interesting and beautiful, but they are very difficult to explain.

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