Bryan Clark

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Senior fellow and director of the Center for Defense Concepts and Technology at Hudson Institute, working on naval operations, electronic warfare, autonomous systems and wargaming. Retired from the Navy in 2008 after service as an enlisted and officer submariner, and previously served as a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments and as special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations. Appears regularly on ChinaTalk's WarTalk episodes with Jordan Schneider, Tony Stark and Justin McIntosh, and as a guest on From the Crows' Nest. Writes on Substack as Clark Defense.

Where to Find Them

Bryan Clark hosts ChinaTalk , hosts Hudson Institute Events Podcast , writes First Breakfast and hosts ChinaTalk . They have also been a guest on From the Crows' Nest (7 times) and TWiT Throwback (Video) . They also write for Bryan Clark on Substack.

Recently: “WarTalk: Pressing the War Button: Iran, Cuba, and Rubio 2028” on ChinaTalk (October 2026); “WarTalk: Potemkin Pacific, Midterm Budget Woes” on ChinaTalk (September 2026); “WarTalk: PLA, 2027, Nukes, and the Pivot to Asia Pirouette” on ChinaTalk (September 2026); “WarTalk: 9.11, Death of the Army, So Long Dan Driscoll” on ChinaTalk (September 2026); “WarTalk: GWOT at 25 with Wesley Morgan” on ChinaTalk (September 2026); “WarTalk: USN Readiness Reckoning, Steampunk Navy, and AI Cyberwar with Shashank of the Economist” on ChinaTalk (August 2026).

What They Said

“The Navy's found that the best way to shoot down the Shaheds… is airplanes. And they are now equipping them with APKWS. So they've got these laser-guided rockets that the army uses on helicopters to shoot whatever stuff on the ground. They found that those are really good for shooting down these drones, like the Shahed-type drones.” — Bryan Clark, ChinaTalk

Asked whether carrier aircraft are flying air defense, Bryan explains the cheap fix the Navy found for one-way attack drones: laser-guided rockets fired from planes, rather than expensive interceptor missiles.

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Bryan Clark

…operations. Yeah. And partly because these, a lot of these shipping companies are state-owned, right? So you've got the shipping company that's moving oil from Kuwait out. And a lot of cases is the shift is a state-owned shipping company ship. So they're going to be, they're going to go no matter

Justin McIntosh

what. Yeah, I mean, I guess my only question kind of on that is, are the aircraft on the aircraft carriers, are there at least some of them that are running like DCA missions? Or are they just on call to launch?

Bryan Clark

Yeah, good point. Yeah, some of them are doing DC. Missions, right? Because the Navy's found that the best way to shoot down the Shaheds or the Garons if the Iranians start using those is airplanes. And they are now equipping them with APKWS. So they've got these laser-guided rockets that the army uses on helicopters to shoot whatever stuff on the ground. They found that those are really good for shooting down these drones, like the Shahed-type drones. So that ends up being, so yeah, they're doing DCA missions to support drone defense because they will launch drones. It's just you get a lot of warning time because they're far enough from shore where it's going to take an hour plus two hours to get to you. So you can use the airplanes to shoot those down or helicopters, right? So the destroyers will launch their helicopters and they'll shoot down drones with the helicopter as well. But

Jordan Schneider

Brian, I mean, there's got to be some tipping point, right? Like if you have the Russian thousand drone flotilla or something.

Bryan Clark

Right. Yeah. So if they launch like a like the Russians do against Ukraine, one of these thousand drone sorties where a salvo is coming across and they're smart about how they sequence it so that you're going to overrun the defenses, then yeah, you get, you could get overwhelmed. And I think the…

Justin McIntosh

Yeah. So war, war, and more war.

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