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Karen Washington

Things Karen Says on Podcasts

Where to Find Them

Karen Washington has been a guest on Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank) (6 times) , The Dr. Hyman Show (3 times) , Food with Mark Bittman (2 times) and The Food Programme .

Recently: “Where Food Education Meets Food Systems Change” on Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank) (September 2026); “Land, Power, and the Plate: Ending Food Apartheid with Regenerative Justice” on The Dr. Hyman Show (October 2025); “521. Stephanie Hsu, Sea Matias, and Karen Washington on Community Land Stewardship and Farming in the Bronx and Beyond.” on Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank) (September 2025); “What Is It Really Like to Be a Black Farmer in the US?” on Food with Mark Bittman (March 2025); “479: Sam Acho and Karen Washington on Not Succumbing to Fear in Uncertain Times” on Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank) (March 2025); “434. Food, Education, and Community Innovation: Bridging Gaps for a Sustainable Future” on Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank) (May 2024).

What They Said

“I flipped it and called it food apartheid, because I wanted our conversation to be intentional. Be intentional about race and racism. Be intentional about where a person lived geographically, about the wealth that was built on the backs of enslaved and Indigenous people. … Food desert reminded me of just putting a pin on a map and saying, that's where people have limited access to food. We're human beings. … And then I went to people in the desert and I said, y'all got food? Yeah, we grow food in the desert.” — Karen Washington, Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank)

Washington, a Bronx farmer and activist, coined 'food apartheid' as a replacement for 'food desert'. Kim Severson had asked what conversation about food education is missing. Washington's objection is that 'desert' describes a place as naturally empty and puts the blame on the people living there, when those communities are already growing food and asking for resources nobody sends.

Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank) · 2026-09-27 Permalink → Listen →
Food Talk with Dani Nierenberg (by Food Tank) Around 43:34 into the episode
Karen Washington

That was a no. That was a no because. But

Kim Severson

let's unpack why.

Karen Washington

…about the wealth that is built, the wealth that was built on the backs of enslaved and indigenous people. And we weren't having that conversation. And food desert reminded me, you know, of just like putting a pin on a map and saying, oh, so that's where people have limited access to food without, we're human beings. I mean, that's not human when you're saying you live in a food desert. And then I went to people in the desert and I said, y'all got food? Yeah, we grow food in the desert. So again, you know, when it comes to education, let's sort of have that education on how this country was built. Because right now we have an administration that wants to take away our history, want to sanitize our history. It ain't going to happen.

Kim Severson

All right. Well, you have my vote, so that's good. Just talk a little bit about, though, the realities of hunger, though, you know, and, you know, talk about food. I mean, the real thing is there are a lot of people who are hungry and increasingly can't get the calories that they need. You know…

Karen Washington

It's not sustainable. I love my food pantries and soup kitchen because there's a need. Right. And the need was always for emergency purposes. It wasn't a way to feed people. And I see that it's starting to... It's become systemic, yeah. Yeah, you know, instead of giving people the tools to get off…

Kim Severson

So those food pantries become part of an ecosystem to help somebody move up and that they needed to be broadened out than just excellent.

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