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Start free trial →Dwarkesh Podcast · AI Research & Frontier Labs · September 2026
Noam Brown had just described the agent swarm that solved a Millennium Prize problem — roughly 10,000 agents, 130 billion tokens, 88 hours. Rather than take the token count as a number, Dwarkesh converts it into human-lifetimes to make the compression legible. Brown's reply is that the parallelization penalty is the thing to look at before drawing conclusions from raw scale.
…scale up inference compute, you can see what the base capabilities of the models will be a few years into the future. And I feel like you're in a similar position now to help us understand what future capabilities will look like, given the enormous scaling of agent sizes that we can do right now.
…And so multi-agent is a way of scaling test time compute in parallel instead of purely serial. And it is like less efficient because it doesn't have, it's not like a single agent has all the context to itself, but it is like a very effective way of scaling test time compute if it's done well.
Okay. I'm going to ask a bunch of naive questions because these systems, so this is an unreleased model. So we haven't publicly seen how these systems work. And so I just have a bunch of ways in which I'm like confused about like what the qualitative properties of such systems are. I am shocked by the scale of cognitive effort that you can concentrate in such a short period of time. So if you think about what 130 billion tokens are, if it was a single human thinking as a full-time job, stretched back to back, 130 billion tokens would be a human thinking for like 4,000 years, eight hours a day or something, working a normal work week. So starting from like ancient Sumeria, up till today, a single sequential human thinking that long, concentrated in 88 hours. I feel like qualitatively, that is a super important consideration. And I'm surprised that there isn't a bigger parallelization penalty that you can just have 10,000 agents collaborate. And because maybe the agents are better at collaborating than humans might be, they're going much faster, that they can actually productively collaborate at such a big scale. Or maybe they, I don't know, maybe there is a big parallelization penalty. Yeah,
let's talk about the parallelization penalty and then we can talk about the qualitative stuff because the truth is that we don't have very good science on multi-agent scaling up to this kind of scale. So when we released 5.6, I think that was the first time that we had a proper multi-agent system…
Is it a linear serial time speedup or a sublinear speed up as you increase the number of parallel agents?
I would say it's slightly sublinear, though it does depend a lot on the problem. So math, for example, is quite parallelizable. It's not the most parallelizable thing, but it is very parallelizable. I think web search, things like doing a deep research report where you have to look through a bunch…