Ed Grosvenor
On Artisan Beer
“Their annual budget is less than a million dollars. They're running the language that powers 70% of the internet for less than a million dollars.”
Artisan Beer · AI Builders · October 2026
Context
Ed was defending the PHP Foundation against people who blamed it for how a major vulnerability was handled. He says he can tolerate jabs at the language, but not attacks on the people who maintain it. The 70% figure is his own.
Transcript
…kind of getting everybody stirred up. It would have just been, we just released an important security update for PHP. Please, you know, please patch. And so people would have done it sort of on like a rolling basis throughout the day instead of everybody hitting refresh right at four o'clock. And
yeah, and a million people wouldn't, wouldn't have known what it was and tried to hack it.
Right. Yeah. So this was just, yeah, but people are trying to throw like the PHP Foundation under the bus and the volunteers that have done so much work for the language. And yeah, that's that's where, so like I can deal with the random idiots saying, oh, PHP is dead or PHP is insecure. But when you start throwing like the PHP Foundation under the bus, I mean, their annual budget is less than a million dollars. They're running the language that powers 70% of the internet for less than a million dollars. Yes,
exactly. It's like the curl guy or what are those people, right? Like they do this stuff in the weekends or they get paid very little. And then people complain. Yeah, it's crazy. Don't be a complainer.
No. Don't be a hanger. It's
not that hard, you know?
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