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NL Nathan Lambert Nathan Lambert ML researcher making sense of AI research, products, and the uncertain technological future.

“I would rather, if somebody was going to send me an AI-written email, it go to an AI before going to me. Because I now signed up for the Pangram thing where you pay $20 a month and it checks every email if it's written by AI. And it gives me free reason to just delete more emails, which were crap. The most fun part is that there are people that I know closely. And I'm like, huh, you're using AI to write your emails? I thought you've been emailing me for years.”

Interconnects · AI Research & Frontier Labs · October 2026

“I would rather, if somebody was going to send me an AI-written email, it go to an AI before going to me. Because I now signed up for the Pangram thing where you pay $20 a month and it checks every email if it's written by AI. And it gives me free reason to just delete more emails, which were crap. The most fun part is that there are people that I know closely. And I'm like, huh, you're using AI to write your emails? I thought you've been emailing me for years.” — Nathan Lambert, Interconnects

Context

Florian Brand had said he lets an agent handle support forms and chatbots but writes to real people himself. Lambert goes further, then wonders how people will set up a "front door" for other people's agents to reach them.

Transcript

Interconnects Around 41:25 into the episode
Speaker 3

it cannot call things. And I think, or the thing I do is as soon as it would interact with real people like support or whatever, I overtake it and I write things myself because I think it's a sign of

Florian Brand

mutual respect to each other that any human connection is still genuine. But like dealing with support forms or other chatbots or all these crappy systems is like, whatever. I don't want to click around these things. It is fine if an agent does these. I would rather

Nathan Lambert

I would rather if somebody was going to send me an AI written email, it to go to an AI before going to me. Because I now sign up for the Pangram thing where you pay $20 a month and it checks every email if it's written by AI. And it gives me free reason to just delete more emails, which were crap. The most fun part is that there are people that I know closely. And I'm like, huh, you're using AI to write your emails? I thought you've been emailing me for years, which is really funny. But it is nice metadata to have. And I do, I don't know how we get from like, is it muse from people just get used to sending each other's muses things? It just seems like a really hard cold start problem to like instead of listing Gmail on my website as a scientist, like, can I risk my agent's contact for somebody to like other agents to find? And maybe it's like not even visible. But I think that's kind of the thing we have to get to is like, how do I set up the front door for agents for all of my web and so on? And I guess some of the payment stuff is there. I guess it could be like, pay me a dollar for your agent to go send a message to my Gmail and set that up and see what happens. So it's good that Muse is breaking down these boundaries, but I'm like, I don't…

Speaker 3

I mean, my situation. This is also kind of unique in the respect that I'm in a new country. I don't know anything about anything. And having AI to help me with those things has saved me so much time and so much annoyances that I'm very happy about that. And every time I cross-checked things because…

Nathan Lambert

Yeah, I think for refunds and dealing with crap, I'm like, I got married and I'm trying to extract a domain from my wedding website to my own to pork bun where I keep my domains and you have to go through the customer service. And I think this is the task where I'm going to be like, Muse, you got…

Speaker 3

Nice. I think with regards to hot text, especially all our cybersecurity stuff, we are set for a while.

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