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BC Brian Casey Sonoma County sommelier and wine host who talks with winemakers, growers and wine-business figures about the craft and commerce of wine.

“the concept in biodynamics of like the closed loop system … your farm is supposed to be this closed loop where you produce all your own compost and you have your own livestock and biodiversity … as wonderful as that sounds, it's not really real. It's not practical in like the real world application. But if you do it sort of like this patchwork of like-minded farmers … you can basically create that closed loop system just within the farming community.”

The Wine Makers on Radio Misfits · Food & Beverage · October 2026

“the concept in biodynamics of like the closed loop system … your farm is supposed to be this closed loop where you produce all your own compost and you have your own livestock and biodiversity … as wonderful as that sounds, it's not really real. It's not practical in like the real world application. But if you do it sort of like this patchwork of like-minded farmers … you can basically create that closed loop system just within the farming community.” — Brian Casey, The Wine Makers on Radio Misfits

Context

After a guest said farming should be more communal, with neighbours sharing land and livestock, the host ties that to the biodynamic ideal of a self-contained farm. His point: it only works across a group of farms.

Transcript

The Wine Makers on Radio Misfits Around 24:57 into the episode
Brian Casey

Where's the grass? But I'd be

Sam Coturri

open for like, you know, vegetable farmers to come in and do annuals.

Brian Casey

Yeah, totally. Yeah. So there was, you know, the concept in biodynamics of like the closed loop system and that, you know, your farm is supposed to be this closed loop where you produce all your own compost and you have your own livestock and biodiversity and different crops and stuff like that. And BW Bus, as wonderful as that sounds, it's not really real. It's not practical in like the real world application. But if you do it sort of like this patchwork of like-minded farmers and, you know, you share sheep and composting and group compost, things like that, that you can basically create that closed loop system just within the farming community.

Sam Coturri

Exactly. No, I fully agree. I would love to, I think monoculture is the enemy, but at the same time, we've gotten to a point where we have to be like super specialized. We have to be mindful of costs. It's already a full-time job being a grape farmer and figuring out how to become a shepherd and do…

Brian Casey

important. So you're not just a grape farmer. Let's be real. I mean, you are maybe managed the farming of the grapes, but you're also on the road selling the wine and in the cellar making the wine. And then when you're not doing that, you come and help us make our wine. Yes, you have like three…

Speaker 3

Many hats.

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