“There was this period where it was this almost triumphant thing of, hey, we cut 30% or 25% of our workforce. Isn't that great? As opposed to saying, well, that actually reflects some sort of failure on your part … that's not something that's a win. That means you probably messed up in some ways.”

I think that also ties into what I said at the beginning about being normal, is that there was this period where it was this almost triumphant thing of, hey, we, you know, we cut 30% or 25% of our workforce. Isn't that great? As opposed to saying, well, that actually reflects some sort of failure on your part that you did that. And, you know, maybe that's going to be necessary because certainly it's going to be a very interesting couple years in the global economy. But, you know, that's not something that's like a win. That's something that means you probably messed up in some ways. And there's certainly ways this technology can be used where maybe also it'll make some jobs redundant. But again, that's not a triumphant story. Like no one likes the story