“There's sometimes I want to grab my programmer friends and just be like, have some self-respect. Like, don't you want to make things that work well and are good and you understand how they work?”

Wait, okay, so but let me take over this for a second because I'm always a little bit more comfortable asking questions than answering them. Is that we were talking about craft. Paul, you've written beautifully about sort of the craft of programming. I'd like to think that maybe there is a way where more of programming gets automated. That's fine. But then where does craft and expertise come from? What role do they play? Because I've had so many also conversations where people will show me something and then be like, oh, I mean, it's super janky because I vibe coded this. And it feels, I don't know, there's sometimes I want to grab my programmer friends and just be like, have some self-respect. Like, don't you want to make things that work well and are good and you understand how they work?