“There's a lot of people who look at this and say, oh my God, Pandora's box is being opened, you're going to have weapons that are making their own kill decisions. And they don't recognize the reality, which is that that's been the case for decades. … Autonomous weapons have existed for thousands of years, defined as weapons that can execute the intent of what you program them to do independent from the operator: pitfall traps that let people walk over them but capture the commander on his horse because he's heavier, poison traps that kill people with certain characteristics and not others, landmines, sea mines, torpedoes. It's just a new set of technology that's making them better.”

right, and they all fell over. And so I think that that's the practical reality that's driving the need to have autonomy living not back home, but forward. There's other areas like you go underwater, you can't talk to things. And sometimes you could talk to things, but you don't want to. Having radio emissions actually exposes you necessarily. And so for better or for worse, you're going to need to do this. I actually don't think it's as much of a shift as people think. There's a lot of people who look at this, say, oh my God, Pandora's box is being opened. You're going to have weapons that are making their own kill decisions. And they don't recognize the reality, which is that that's been the case for decades. You look at the Aegis system on destroyers. It has a fully autonomous mode. You can flip a button and it will shoot down anything that comes within whatever range you programmed it with. Without any human confirmation, you look at CWIS and CRAM for shooting down incoming missiles, incoming mortar, incoming artillery fire, incoming missiles, or incoming speedboats, same thing. You can put them in fully autonomous modes. And I mean, going back into Vietnam, we had missiles that you could launch from an aircraft. They flew over the horizon, tried to identify the right radio emitters that they believed corresponded with a surface-tair missile site, and then struck them without any, you know, the person had to decide, I'm going to send it in this area, they're…