“If a workers' camp is coming into my local town, it's about developing the design of the trunk works and the camp such that when the workers are gone, that infrastructure has use in a different way. We've looked at can that be an aged care facility down the track? We have one corporate who gets the Woolies truck to drive up from Perth to deliver their groceries. I find that really disappointing because it's a really easy win for the community.”

…basically. It is a passive income and it's fantastic. And I think it's a really wonderful way of perhaps increasing the resilience of our farming businesses, particularly at the minute when input costs are just so enormous. It's a bit of a buffer against those, but it needs to be managed wisely.

…putting the local mechanic out of business or just talk a little bit about those kind of community dynamics. And maybe that applies less in WA just given the kind of like size and scale of towns. Like I imagine it's more like per community, but not town because of how you guys are set up.

Those are really tangible examples, like the aged care facility and the upskilling. And I like that it's both, there's some quantitative stuff there, like the income increases, but there's some qualitative stuff there too, like the training and that kind of piece. It seems like we've been through…

Sometimes I feel really optimistic. They're going to nail this. And then other times I feel less optimistic. But for me, it's about the governance systems. Have we specifically designed these governance systems to allow for good? Have we designed them such that we can capture this opportunity? An…

Governance is one of those terms where I do feel like people think it's boring and yet it's so important. I keep going back to this question, I guess, of the frustration I hear from landowners and from regional communities about some of these projects and how they've gone and how the communities…